# STOP PRESS: Barn finds for sale, license built Messerschmitt Me-109G **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 10, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738 "2014-07-10T02:16:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/1 "2014-07-10T02:16:45Z")
> [@](#): > > In 1942 the Spanish government arranged a manufacturing licence with Messerschmitt AG to build the Bf 109G-2, with DB605A engines, propellers, instruments, and weapons to be supplied from Germany. This proved impossible, as Germany was incapable of meeting her own needs, let alone Spain’s. Only twenty-five airframes (minus their tails) and not even half the necessary drawings were delivered. > > Post World War II, production resumed on the Buchón’s and the final variant was the HA-1112-M1L Buchón. It first flew 29 March 1954. The 1112-M1L was equipped with the 1,600 hp Rolls-Royce Merlin 500-45 engine and Rotol propeller, both purchased as surplus from the UK. This engine had a chin intake, that altered the lines of the Bf 109’s airframe visually. Its armament consisted of two 20 mm Hispano-Suiza 404/408 cannons and two Oerlikon or Pilatus eight-packs of 80 mm rockets. It remained in service until 27 December 1965. > > The HA-1112-M1L’s remained in flying condition until the mid-1960s. This made them available for theatrical use, masquerading as Bf 109’s in movies like The Battle of Britain. > > These examples are HIspano Aviacion HA-1112 M1L’s. > > These aircraft were last flown in the Battle Of Britain film in 1968. > > Upon completion of the filming of the Battle Of Britain they were disassembled and shipped to Texas where they have been in storage for 45 years. [Platinum Fighter Sales: Historic, Vintage & Warbird Aircraft](http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!ha-1112-m1l/c12zi) ---
**Author:** ![Marlonius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@Marlonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marlonius)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/2 "2014-07-10T03:21:39Z")
That’s absolutely amazing. I’m a big fan of the Battle of Britain movie and immediately recognized the paint schemes from that movie. I wonder why they sat on them for so long. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/3 "2014-07-10T03:35:27Z")
So cool. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/4 "2014-07-10T03:38:33Z")
Warbirds weren’t worth shit in '68. What market there was was glutted–this was when all the P-51s and such were being retired by Central and South America air forces, so why buy a bastard ME-109 when you could get a proper Mustang for, IIRC, $15k? And it was Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Bow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85f322/32.png) [@Jim\_Bow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Bow)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/5 "2014-07-10T04:11:04Z")
Which brings up the question: When was the last piston powered air battle? ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/6 "2014-07-10T05:21:11Z")
“Messtherschmitts! A whole mess of Messtherschmitts!” ---
**Author:** ![yendis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ed8c4c/32.png) [@yendis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yendis)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/7 "2014-07-10T10:12:40Z")
> [@Jim\_Bow](#): > > Which brings up the question: When was the last piston powered air battle? The [Football War](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War) between El Salvador and Honduras in 1969. Which had Mustang vs Corsair and Corsair vs Corsair fighting. Bit more detail on the air to air stuff [here](http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/post-war/last-corsair-kills-f4u-vs-p-51s-7961.html). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/8 "2014-07-10T13:57:03Z")
Do want. (Of course my favourite plane is the Spitfire. But given a choice, I’d probably opt for a Hurricane.) ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/9 "2014-07-10T14:05:55Z")
God bless barns. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/10 "2014-07-10T14:10:30Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > God bless barns. I learned to fly at [Barnes](http://www.barnesaviation.com). 😃 . ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/11 "2014-07-11T02:50:53Z")
Those fokkers were Messerschmitts! ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/12 "2014-07-11T05:38:53Z")
Dammit! First they dig up an Ass-load of Spitfires, flooding the market and reducing my 3 to near worthless, then they go find these things in Texas, again, making mine less rare and valuable. Whats next? Are they gonna go find a few thousand copies of “ET” in a landfill? That was my retirement, Dammit! ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/13 "2014-07-11T11:48:05Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > God bless barns. A lot cooler than an old Coke sign found on American Pickers, that’s for sure. There was an old Porsche magazine ad - it was an old Bathtub 356 in a barn, covered in dust and had a brief story about every Porsche nut’s fantasy of finding one. [![](http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads12/Dream+Barn+find+356+ad1202437757.jpg) ](http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads12/Dream+Barn+find+356+ad1202437757.jpg) There’s also an book about finding old guitars called “The Strat in the Attic” > **[The Strat in the Attic: Thrilling Stories of Guitar Archaeology: Dickerson,...](https://www.amazon.com/Strat-Attic-Thrilling-Stories-Archaeology/dp/0760343853)** > > The Strat in the Attic: Thrilling Stories of Guitar Archaeology \[Dickerson, Deke, Kellerman, Jonathan\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. The Strat in the Attic: Thrilling Stories of Guitar Archaeology ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2014, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/14 "2014-07-11T22:32:37Z")
Wordman, if you’d gone into geology I don’t think there’s any doubt that you’d have been a Stratigrapher. I’ve been blessed to have visited barns out on remote ranches loaded with exquisite antique and muscle cars, but never one boasting any badass planes. Clearly, I haven’t lived yet. ---
**Author:** ![Marlonius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@Marlonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marlonius)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/15 "2014-07-12T00:57:08Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Warbirds weren’t worth shit in '68. What market there was was glutted–this was when all the P-51s and such were being retired by Central and South America air forces, so why buy a bastard ME-109 when you could get a proper Mustang for, IIRC, $15k? And it was Texas. Totally true, but what about 88 or 98 or 08? They must’ve simply been forgotten, because warbirds have been demanding big bucks for most of the years that these were stashed away. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/16 "2014-07-12T02:11:56Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Those fokkers were Messerschmitts! “I don’t know what they were flying, but those fokkers were all over me.” I don’t recall where I first saw that joke, but it probably started, “There I was at 10,000 feet.” ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2014, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-press-barn-finds-for-sale-license-built-messerschmitt-me-109g/692738/17 "2014-07-12T11:24:51Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Wordman, if you’d gone into geology I don’t think there’s any doubt that you’d have been a Stratigrapher. > > I’ve been blessed to have visited barns out on remote ranches loaded with exquisite antique and muscle cars, but never one boasting any badass planes. Clearly, I haven’t lived yet. If “Stratigrapher” involves scouting for cool stuff in and amongst the layers, I’m in! Continuing this hijack - because these planes are so cool that clearly this thread will stay on track 😉 - I assume you have read the book The Map that Changed the World by Simon Winchester? It’s about the guy who developed the first stratigraphic map. > **[The Map That Changed the World: William Smith and the Birth of Modern Geology:...](https://www.amazon.com/Map-That-Changed-World-William/dp/0061767905)** > > The Map That Changed the World: William Smith and the Birth of Modern Geology \[Winchester, Simon, Vannithone, Soun\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. The Map That Changed the World: William Smith and the Birth of Modern Geology Good stuff. Carry on!