# Stop telling us to “listen” to Trump voters. We have heard enough **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 19, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978 "2020-11-19T16:52:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/41 "2020-11-22T04:15:11Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Since everyone in the thread seems to be on the same page about how it’s pointless to try to come to any kind of understanding of what makes people vote for Trump, two questions: 1. how come so many of them voted for Obama? and 2. do you want them to vote for Democrats again? I don’t want them to vote again. They’ve waived their right to participate in the democratic process. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/42 "2020-11-22T04:19:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I don’t want them to vote again. They’ve waived their right to participate in the democratic process. So they should be…disenfranchised? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/43 "2020-11-22T04:30:40Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > So they should be…disenfranchised? Point of order; “disfranchised”. “Disenfranchise” is a misnomer everyone suddenly seized on for some reason 20 years ago, akin to referring to disabled people as “disenabled”. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/44 "2020-11-22T05:11:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Point of order; “disfranchised”. “Disenfranchise” is a misnomer everyone suddenly seized on for some reason 20 years ago, akin to referring to disabled people as “disenabled”. OK, I stand corrected. But the solution to Trump voters is…deny them voting rights? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/45 "2020-11-22T05:15:43Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > But the solution to Trump voters is…deny them voting rights? Pretty much. The Republican Party at this point needs to be treated the same way the Nazi Party was after WWII. This country needs to undergo a harsh period of Detrumpification. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/46 "2020-11-22T06:56:45Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Fuck Trump voters. They need to “listen” to the sane people. I’ve listend to those dumb motherfucking Trump voters. Fucking imaginary conspiratorial bullshit that drives them… Fuck that. They need to listen to the sane people. THEY need to fucking listen. And pull their heads out of their asses. Hear, hear. Fuck Chump voters indeed. Listening to them is no different from listening to German Nazis nattering on about their “oppression” by the Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/47 "2020-11-22T10:54:14Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Let me make this clear- if you vote GOP, you now condone racism, and condone voter suppression and election stealing. I couldn’t agree more and that is just for starters. We’ve danced around calling GOP voters deplorables to be nice but yeah…deplorables barely covers it. These are bad people. It is fine…great even…to have differing political opinions on how to best solve issues but the GOP has dumpstered all of that in favor of just pretending these problems don’t exist. And the “why” of it is obvious…they cannot win the debate. They’ve got nothing. If they did they’d lay it on us. But they don’t. Their side is so weak they are only left with just ignoring reality. Mock them any chance you get. They do not deserve a seat at the table any more. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/48 "2020-11-22T12:03:37Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s about constantly bring lectured about examining the lives and feelings of people who are oppressing mr and the people around me How are you being oppressed? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/49 "2020-11-22T12:08:19Z")
[![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l8ukak8P2vY/hqdefault.jpg "Help! I'm Being Repressed! (Short Version)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ukak8P2vY) ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/50 "2020-11-22T12:55:50Z")
Due to the hostility of the Republican party to science, providing affordable healthcare to everyone and anything that gets in the way of maximal profits for the 1%, they have refused to deal with the most pressing issues of the day. Consequently we have a pandemic that is out control, climate change is accelerating and the economy is tanking as we struggle with these issues. That means I am a higher risk of illness and death, the jobs of myself and my family members are on the line, I cannot see my aged and ill father in his nursing home and my kids’ futures are looking grim. They can’t get decent jobs and have no health insurance which means they are more dependent on me and my husband for financial support. Oh, and since I live in a Democratic-leaning area, there are ongoing attempts to suppress votes in my district. And I’m a reasonably affluent white person. Clearly it’s much, much harder for others. But I am a also a professional scientist. The aforementioned hostility to science and intellectual honesty ( I.e alternate reality bullshit peddled by right-wing media) is very oppressive. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/51 "2020-11-22T13:55:18Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > hostility of the Republican party to science What’s an example of the hostility to science that **oppresses** you as a “reasonably affluent white person”? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/52 "2020-11-22T14:15:41Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > > [@Toxgoddess](#): > > > > hostility of the Republican party to science > > What’s an example of the hostility to science that **oppresses** you as a “reasonably affluent white person”? - **Toxgoddess** is concerned about society. Your only concern is the concept of “What’s in it for _me_?” Which is the whole problem with the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/53 "2020-11-22T14:16:16Z")
Also there was a very long section after that explaining why hostility to science was oppressing them. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/54 "2020-11-22T14:23:26Z")
There is no point in engaging with them. Their entire arguments boil down to “nu-uh,” “is not,” and “your not the boss of me.” These are people too stupid to wear masks during a pandemic, putting the lives of all of us at risk. They have no sense of personal responsibility and no morality recognizable as such. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/55 "2020-11-22T15:26:58Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > These are people too stupid to wear masks during a pandemic Citation needed for that claim. I’m not sure how anybody could even make that claim considering what we’ve seen in the news recently about Newsom, Pelosi, Mayor Lightfoot, etc… ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/56 "2020-11-22T15:31:23Z")
Sure. You want one? Don’t ignore their communities. > **[Joe Biden’s struggles along the Texas border raise questions about Democrats’...](https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/04/joe-biden-texas-border-democrats/)** > > Democrats once again won a large number of counties along or near the Texas-Mexico border, but by narrower margins than in recent elections. That showing played a big role in disappointing results for the state’s Democrats. > **[Opinion | Trump shocked the world with his Latino support. Here’s how it...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/12/trump-shocked-world-with-his-latino-support-heres-how-it-happened/)** > > Trump used both new and old tactics to increase his vote share. > **[How Trump Grew His Support Among Latinos](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/how-trump-grew-his-support-among-latinos/617033/)** > > He understood what motivated his voters, and he made sure they knew he did. > **[As Trump Gained Latino Support in Florida, Biden’s Campaign Ignored Warnings](https://www.newyorker.com/news/campaign-chronicles/as-trump-gained-latino-support-in-florida-bidens-campaign-ignored-warnings)** > > Members of the Democrat’s community-outreach team say that the effort was underfunded, unfocussed, and ineffective. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/57 "2020-11-22T15:32:13Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > > [@madmonk28](#): > > > > These are people too stupid to wear masks during a pandemic > > Citation needed for that claim. I’m not sure how anybody could even make that claim considering what we’ve seen in the news recently about Newsom, Pelosi, Mayor Lightfoot, etc… - Who have admitted making mistakes. They’re not denying the very existence of the virus. There’s also the selfish idea of “_I_ have right not to wear a mask because it’s _my_ risk” because who gives a fuck about protecting others which is the main benefit of masking. There are people who are denying the virus even as they’re dying from COVID. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/58 "2020-11-22T15:34:34Z")
I wonder which side of the aisle claimed that after the election, we’d stop even hearing abut the virus? Which side? Oh, it was the TOP GUY on that side! Well slap me silly! ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/59 "2020-11-22T15:46:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There are people who are denying the virus even as they’re dying from COVID. Are you referring to this? > **[Are Covid Patients Gasping ‘It Isn’t Real’ As They Die?](https://www.wired.com/story/are-covid-patients-gasping-it-isnt-real-as-they-die/)** > > An ER nurse’s anecdote of deranged denialism went viral. But when the media caught wind of the story, reporters didn’t do their jobs. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2020, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978/60 "2020-11-22T15:49:40Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > There are people who are denying the virus even as they’re dying from COVID. > > Are you referring to this? - > > [Are Covid Patients Gasping ‘It Isn’t Real’ As They Die? | WIRED](https://www.wired.com/story/are-covid-patients-gasping-it-isnt-real-as-they-die/) What the fuck do you think I was referring to? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stop-telling-us-to-listen-to-trump-voters-we-have-heard-enough/925978.md?page=4)