# Stopping cats attacking wild birds - in a gentle way? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [March 28, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255 "2011-03-28T13:46:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Michael\_of\_Lucan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@Michael\_of\_Lucan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_of_Lucan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/1 "2011-03-28T13:46:14Z")
I am well-disposed to cats, and would not wish to hurt them. I like to feed wild birds, and many visit my home. Unfortunately, local cats misunderstand the concept of wild bird feeding, and try to feed on them. I put feeders up high to avoid this, but some birds feed on the ground on scraps which other birds drop. I do not own the cats, and I do not know who owns them.\* So, I cannot put bells on them, which is the normal solution. I considered one of those high pitched noise makers which dogs and rodents can hear, but not humans. However, this is likely to keep the birds out, as they have a wider range of hearing then we do. Is there a simple solution? Please assume no damage is to be done to the cats. \*_(Of course, no one truly owns a cat. It agrees to spend time with with you on condition that food and other comforts are supplied to its satisfaction.)_ ---
**Author:** ![sandra\_nz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@sandra\_nz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sandra_nz)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/2 "2011-03-28T13:54:13Z")
If you’re out there at the time, a spritz from a water bottle will help deter a cat, but I suspect there is very little you could do when you’re not actually there. Hunting is normal cat behaviour and whilst you’re doing a lovely thing by feeding the birds, you’re actually encouraging the cats by having the birds congregate in your garden. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/3 "2011-03-28T14:16:00Z")
Not sure how much you want to spend, but you could set up a (cat) motion detector that will trigger something that spooks the birds. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/4 "2011-03-28T14:34:18Z")
put a 3 foot high mesh fence some distance, maybe 6 foot diameter, around the base of the feeders. the noise and motion of the cat climbing it will warn the birds maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/5 "2011-03-28T14:40:16Z")
Put up a “scarecat.” Maybe a picture like [this](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pooporchocolateblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/dogtrouble2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pooporchocolateblogs.com/tag/tom-jerry/&usg=__NDt20HhRgc2LB_CkHDzZj_zaO50=&h=576&w=720&sz=140&hl=en&start=7&zoom=1&tbnid=3Bg9d_RjgjSWOM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=140&ei=Gp2QTZuRJ4nqgQe22uSpDQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2522tom%2B%2526%2Bjerry%2522%2Bdog%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1020%26bih%3D574%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1) on a stick. ---
**Author:** ![BMax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bmax/32/4267_2.png) [@BMax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMax)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/6 "2011-03-28T14:43:47Z")
You could try sprinkling some [coyote urine pellets](http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=coyote+urine&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=2975586059&ref=pd_sl_3hb40ywyuu_b) on the ground near the bird feeders. The smell might keep the cats away. ---
**Author:** ![Crackrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Crackrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crackrat)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/7 "2011-03-28T15:22:35Z")
You could rig up a pie plate or something to sit under the feeder to keep the bird feed from falling on the ground. Or build a chicken-wire (or screen wide enough for the feed, but not the birds, to get through) dome on the ground to keep the birds from feeding on the fallen bird feed. You’ll have a hard time keeping cats from hunting birds at ground level. I think you’ll have more luck keeping the birds from feeding there. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/8 "2011-03-28T15:25:11Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Not sure how much you want to spend, but you could set up a (cat) motion detector that will trigger something that spooks the birds. [Something like this?](http://www.amazon.com/Havahart-5265-Spray-Motion-Activated-Repellent/dp/B000BO71NY) ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/9 "2011-03-28T15:39:44Z")
We feed three ferals who came attached to the house we move into, and I also like to put out bird food. However, providing regular, constant meals for the cats has really dulled their hunting instincts. They know they have another meal coming soon, so they lie around watching the birds but make no attempt at capture. Also, the feeders hang from the top of the deck, putting them far out of the cat’s immediate reach. Doves - the most common ground-feeding birds - are kinda on their own, though. Still, I never find telltale feathers in our yard. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/10 "2011-03-28T15:57:58Z")
can you place the feeders in a open area where a cat will have less chance to hide? ---
**Author:** ![Waxwinged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@Waxwinged](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waxwinged)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/11 "2011-03-28T17:16:59Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > We feed three ferals who came attached to the house we move into, and I also like to put out bird food. However, providing regular, constant meals for the cats has really dulled their hunting instincts. That. We feed a pair of ferals (more like “outdoor communal cats”, really.. they’re sweethearts.), and they’ve been stalking critters less as a result. A bad of cat food that’ll last you a month? 11$. Peace of mind? Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/12 "2011-03-28T19:11:35Z")
Cats prefer raw meat to any mass produced dry or wet cat food. Asking a cat not to hunt birds goes against the natural order of things. What’s next? An entomologist asking for a way to keep the birds in his neighborhood from feeding on the insects in his back yard? ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/13 "2011-03-28T19:29:16Z")
Ah, feeding the cats, good idea. That way, we can have a thread in a few months, “how to get rid of cats – in a gentle way.” IIRC, didn’t **Michael of Lucan** post something a while back about flies? Then spiders? Now a bird. How absurd! ---
**Author:** ![HawksPath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f07891/32.png) [@HawksPath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HawksPath)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2011, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/14 "2011-03-28T20:29:31Z")
Get a dog. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_of\_Lucan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@Michael\_of\_Lucan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_of_Lucan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/15 "2011-03-30T23:48:43Z")
Sorry, I was sitting in my mother-in-law’s house in the middle of nowhere with no internet for a couple of days. Strange to be isolated from the net for so long - you suddenly realise how it has become integrated into life. Thank you all for your ideas. I don’t think a motion sensor will work as it will sense the motion of birds too and scare them off. In essence, the other ideas amount to physical prevention or bribery. However, bribing cats with food is not a sure thing. In the past, I knew a cat which was fed by three separate households, each of which thought they “owned” her. Her triplicity was only discovered when one “owner” met her in a neighbour’s house, and then asked around. It’s a version of Parkinson’s Law - a cat’s appetite expands to meet the available food. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_of\_Lucan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@Michael\_of\_Lucan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_of_Lucan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/16 "2011-03-30T23:51:45Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > IIRC, didn’t **Michael of Lucan** post something a while back about flies? Then spiders? Now a bird. > > How absurd! No, unless the Alzheimers has clicked in, this was not me … No flies on me. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/17 "2011-03-31T15:02:26Z")
Are you sure? I think it was in Cafe Society … something about having just eaten and now looking for future recipes. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_of\_Lucan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@Michael\_of\_Lucan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_of_Lucan)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/18 "2011-04-01T13:01:09Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > Are you sure? I think it was in Cafe Society … something about having just eaten and now looking for future recipes. No, not me. I don’t think I have ever knowingly posted in Café Society. If it helps, I have gone fly fishing, but I never caught any flies. Maybe Im doin ths wrng …😃 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/19 "2011-04-01T14:39:38Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Asking a cat not to hunt birds goes against the natural order of things. This would be a fair point if anyone here had proposed _asking_ the cats not to hunt. The OP asked about _preventing_ them from hunting in a particular spot. There are lots of things that are part of the “natural order” that can prevent or deter instinctive behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255/20 "2011-04-01T16:53:55Z")
> [@Michael\_of\_Lucan](#): > > No, not me. I don’t think I have ever knowingly posted in Café Society. > > If it helps, I have gone fly fishing, but I never caught any flies. Maybe Im doin ths wrng …😃 Are you _[sure](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC_xO2aN_IA)_? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stopping-cats-attacking-wild-birds-in-a-gentle-way/576255.md?page=2)