Stories About Jury Selection/Jury Service/Jury Experiences

I served on a federal grand jury here in Kansas and was lucky enough to be called to the courthouse in Topeka, where I live. I could have had to go to Wichita or Kansas City. One guy on our jury had to come all the way from the western part of the state. He got tickets for lodging and gas. I got $2 each time for gas, as I was less than two miles from the courthouse.

Almost all of our cases were about guns, or drugs, or both. One case involved a multistate fraud case, and one case involved allegations that a teacher touched two students. That was federal because the school was on Ft. Riley. Both girls had to enter the courtroom alone, with no support. There was the judge, the court reporter, the prosecutor, the young lady, and us. As the girls would speak, you could almost see the fangs and claws of the women on the jury growing longer.

Honestly, I found both of the juries I served on to be quite interesting. And one was basically just a workplace job injury claim. I can see it becoming boring if you did it all the time and they were all about mind-numbing insurance claims or something, but I’ve never been bored and have been lucky enough not to get anything disturbing.

Also the judges thanked us and my employer pays me regardless :wink:. But that last bit is where the jury system falls down. There needs to be a federal law mandating employers pay employees for some minimum of jury service with the feds/states picking up the tab when it runs over that.

I’ve told this story on SDMB before, but not sure if it was in this thread. If you haven’t read it before, some here may find it interesting.

It is May, 2003, and my wife is something like in her 40th week of pregnancy. She is just about to pop. On Monday (I think), she received a municipal jury summons (small town in Texas) to appear on the following Thursday for jury service. This conflicted with her planned OB/GYN appointment for that week. (At this point, she was seeing the doctor once per week. The doctor’s office was in west Austin, about an hour and fifteen minutes from us. I also want to note here that the birth was planned to be a cesarean delivery. The doctor liked to schedule her surgeries for Fridays. My wife was anemic and experiencing other discomforts and problems. The doctor appointment was for Thursday. I fully expected that the doctor would admit her to the hospital and we would have a baby on Friday. No doctor told me that – it was just a hunch I had.)

On Tuesday, my wife went to the municipal judge’s private law practice to request a reschedule of her service. She was very obviously pregnant and she had already contacted her doctor for documentation of the excuse. The judge wouldn’t hear it. He threatened her with arrest if she failed to appear as ordered. My wife was hysterical. She rescheduled her doctor appointment for the following Monday. Read that again: THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE THREATENED TO THROW MY PREGNANT WIFE IN JAIL!

On Thursday, my wife appeared for jury service as ordered. She was not even offered a chair in which to sit. She stood in a crowded room with other prospective jurors. At one point, the defendant was paraded in front of the jury pool. The prospective jurors were then allowed to discuss among themselves what they each knew about the ne’er-do-well defendant (it’s a small town). The defendant pled out and no jury was empaneled. My wife requested documentation from the clerk for her employer. She was given a hand-scrawled note torn from a spiral notebook. It reminded me of a hall pass I might write a student at school.

By Friday, I was absolutely livid. I met with the mayor Friday morning (she was also a teacher in the school where I worked). I showed her the scrawled note and told her the story I just told you. I managed somehow to remain calm, but it was not easy.

Saturday and Sunday were mostly calm, though my wife was very uncomfortable in the late stage of pregnancy. At some point Sunday night or Monday morning, my wife reported that she could not feel the baby move. In the wee hours of Monday morning, we raced to the hospital in Austin where we had done our pre-admitting, etc. The baby was dead.

There is more, but that is the end of the part that relates to jury duty.

That municipal judge retired about a year ago. Twenty years later, my wife has a panic attack when we see him around town. I do not waste space in my head or heart for hate, but that man can burn in Hell for all I care.

And nothing was done to the judge? That is terrible.

After things had settled down, my wife and I spoke publicly to the city council about all this. The focus was on his callous disregard for my wife’s (and baby’s) safety in refusing to reset the jury service. This was covered on the front page of the local newspaper. The city manager vowed to get an opinion from the Texas Attorney General (who is now governor) on discretion in rescheduling jury service.

As it turns out, the city never sought that opinion. The local newspaper, however, did. As expected, the AG’s office said that jury service can be rescheduled in the event that the prospective juror is medically unavailable.

In the end, the city revamped to jury selection process including the proper paperwork for providing excuses for employers. For some reason ( :roll_eyes:), neither my wife nor I received a municipal jury summons for more than a decade. When I finally did get such a summons, I told the city attorney that I would not sit on any jury empaneled by that judge. She could either excuse me outside of court or I could declare in exquisite detail in court why I would not serve. That ended that jury service.

One city council member actually publicly commended the judge for tolerating having his good name drug through the mud by the council and on the front page of the newspaper. That was the only negative consequence he received.

Well, I feel terrible for killing this long-running thread. I’ll share a couple of more ordinary jury duty stories.

Years after the 2003 debacle, I was called to serve on a county grand jury. We met once per month for six months. I was promptly elected foreman, so my signature appears on all the indictments we handed down.

I learned that drug users tend not to be the smartest lot – or at least the ones who are caught are not terribly bright. Several stories began with the police officer saying, “I observed a cloud of smoke leave the car when the driver lowered the window.” The drugs, paraphernalia, whatever, would often be in plain sight.

I learned that driving in the left lane on a freeway was often used as the probable cause to initiate the traffic stop. The left lane is for passing only. If you’re up to no good, you better make sure that you drive in the right lane.

I learned that the police know more than you may think. The evidence in one case included that the car being used to smuggle drugs had made several trips between Laredo and Houston. The police knew this because of license plate readers and cameras placed along the route. The cops know where we’ve been. Wow.

I learned that “assault with a deadly weapon” means that the victim had reason to believe that the weapon was deadly. In one case, a guy pointed an Airsoft gun at another guy. This was a deadly weapon because the gun appeared to the victim to be a real gun. It wasn’t. That didn’t matter. The defendant in that case died several years later fleeing from the police in a completely unrelated matter.

The one case I had a hard time with indicting was a catfishing thing. A male, adult sheriff’s deputy in Oregon posed as a 14-year old girl on social media. The deputy interacted with an adult male in our Texas county. The text of the conversations were clearly inappropriate for an adult to have with a child. While explicit pictures were requested, none were ever supplied. The only pictures sent (which we jurors did not see) were of an adult female deputy dressed to appear younger than she actually was. We ended up with indicting the guy for a crime relating to all of this.

My problem with it was that there was no actual 14 year old girl involved. The defendant thought there was, and that was the crime. He wasn’t indicted for what he actually did. He was indicted for what he thought he was doing. I have a problem with charging people with thought crimes. Of course, I am glad that this guy didn’t interact with an actual teen girl, but I was quite conflicted on the indictment.

Before body cams on cops, I think a lot of these claims were made up.

(although I’m sure it happens now and then, the frequency of similar language in police reports made me skeptical)

If the guy was just thinking about doing sexual things with minors, but wasn’t acting on it, that would be thought crime. Here, though, he was taking actual steps to lead to that goal. Completely different.

It might also help you to remember that your decision as a grand juror was only to the level of probable cause. It’s a much lower standard than beyond a reasonable doubt at an actual trial.

Your guy was made to endure charges. Do you know if he suffered a conviction?

I can see that. But he was unsuccessful. At the very least, this is sort of like murder and attempted murder. If I shoot someone and fail to kill him, then that is a somewhat lesser crime than actually killing someone.

If I remember correctly, the guy was strung along until he arranged a meeting with this nonexistent girl. As you put it, he was taking actual steps with the intention of committing a crime. That is a problem and I’m certainly not defending the guy.

I ultimately voted to indict because the evidence showed that he committed a violation of a statute that was explained to us. My problems with the statute itself does not change the facts of this person’s actions. We have to follow the laws we don’t like, after all.

I’m sorry to say that I don’t remember the ultimate disposition of his case.

He attempted to meet a child in order to rape the child. If I try break into a home in order to steal something that isn’t there, is it still a crime?

Yes, and he was indicted.

I’m seeing it more like someone who hires a hit man to kill their business partner and it turns out the hit man was a cop. They won’t be charged with murder. What they will be charged with will depend on the local (state?) statutes.

I had my jury duty last week; turned out to be a drugs case. I was somehow elected to be the foreman/presiding juror “because you are so talkative and a good speaker”. This was, and is, absolutely hilarious, as I’m insanely introverted and don’t like to speak at all, I just happened to speak up at the wrong time…

Anyway, the case involved a homeless man from Oregon, living in his truck, pulled over for speeding. Turned out his driver’s license was suspended, so he was told the officer could not let him leave with the truck, so he would need to have a licensed driver come take over. The officer obtained permission to retrieve the man’s phone from the cab in the truck; upon opening the door and reaching in to grab the phone, he smelled marijuana (illegal in Wyoming), so that led to a search of the truck. Man admitted to smoking earlier in the day, said he had no pot left (before being informed that the officer had to search the vehicle). Of course, search turned up more pot in the vehicle (purchased from a dispensary in Oregon) along with a glass pipe, a metal pipe, a cut up glass with white residue, a baggie with suspected cocaine, and a metal lockbox (combination). Box was forced open after man disavowed knowing anything about it, contained more pot (same dispensary), 78 grams of meth, 14 grams of cocaine, and several clean jewelers bags.

It turned out that he was traveling to Sturgis, SD for the motorcycle rally, with two friends who were on motorcycles; he had belongings for the whole group in his truck. His defense was that the lockbox was not his. Our verdict was guilty for possession of marijuana, and possession of cocaine; not guilty for possession of meth, trafficking of meth, and trafficking of cocaine. Prevailing sentiment was that the drugs were intended to be sold in Sturgis, BUT it was not unreasonable that the defendant may not have known about the items in the lockbox.

Sounds like you did your job and you did it well. Nicely done.

Attempted murder, I’m guessing.