# Stormfront - real debate or hate ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 14, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416 "2003-03-14T19:32:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lithium](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/71c47a/32.png) [@Lithium](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lithium)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/1 "2003-03-14T19:32:55Z")
I want to raise this question because they seem to be the only white nationalist site out there with a decent sized forum. So my question is: are minority/jewish groups justified in attacking stormfront, or is it really an open forum? In other words, can a forum like Stormfront’s serve as a medium for worthwhile debates on racial/ethnic issues? Or does the entire “racist” overtone of the site contaminate any real objective thinking? They seem to be moving in the right direction: (From their forum) > [@](#): > > In the spirit of freedom and democracy, it has been decided that the use of racial epithets and profanity in this forum will be curtailed. > > For instance, the use of “kike” is no longer kosher in respect to this forum’s rules. (Actually, the use of racial epithets has been restricted all along per the Guidelines for Posting. The moderators have let it slide.) > > I’m guilty of using such terms from time to time, but I resolve to mend my wayward path. > > Mixed-metaphors are still tolerated, comma-splices are, too. **[link removed --Gaudere]** ---
**Author:** ![Lissla\_Lissar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8491ac/32.png) [@Lissla\_Lissar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissla_Lissar)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/2 "2003-03-14T19:59:59Z")
I don’t think they’re capable of rational debate- we had an invasion from them a while back, and the ones who came over certainly couldn’t. It was a bad idea to open the link. We don’t want another flame war with them. Mods? Close the link, please? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/3 "2003-03-14T20:02:55Z")
I’m not too impressed with the announced changes over there, if they’re still tolerating mixed metaphors. What’s next - dangling participles? Stop the madness!!! ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/4 "2003-03-14T20:05:24Z")
I think if they were moving towards the edge of a very steep cliff, then they would be moving in the right direction. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/5 "2003-03-14T20:09:59Z")
What’s a comma-splice? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/6 "2003-03-14T20:11:52Z")
Never mind, I found out: “When two independent clauses are connected by only a comma, they constitute a run-on sentence that is called a comma-splice.” from [http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/runons.htm](http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/runons.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/7 "2003-03-14T20:16:29Z")
Gah, I can’t believe I just looked at that site. I need a shower now, God,what filth. I didn’t see any “debate” over there, just a bunch of self-deluded psychopaths and hillbillies jerking each other off. I looked at a couple of the so-called “opposing view” threads, and it seemed to me like anyone who tried to argue with them got banned after one post. What morons those people are. I can’t believe they actually exist. Who are they? How do they get that way? ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/8 "2003-03-14T20:18:27Z")
It’s certainly interesting in that it’s always fun watching people trying to defend the indefensible. But an open forum? I’d say they just want to attract targets to shoot at, so to speak. BTW what’s the point in closing the link? Google finds it in an eyeblink anyway. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/9 "2003-03-14T20:20:09Z")
It’s certainly interesting to notice the OP’s post count so soon after a recent stormfront board war. My bet is that Lithium is looking for exactly Diogenes’ reply. ---
**Author:** ![Lithium](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/71c47a/32.png) [@Lithium](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lithium)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/10 "2003-03-14T20:52:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*It’s certainly interesting to notice the OP’s post count so soon after a recent stormfront board war. My bet is that Lithium is looking for exactly Diogenes’ reply. \*\* Yes, I am new here, but instead of giving me a chance you immediately insinuate I am some troll. I know knothing of this “forum war” you speak of. Thanks for making me feel welcome. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Lithium](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/71c47a/32.png) [@Lithium](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lithium)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/11 "2003-03-14T21:03:28Z")
As far as removing the link goes, I posted this thread here because I thought ppl were mature enough not to have a knee-jerk reaction to it. ---
**Author:** ![Robb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a183cd/32.png) [@Robb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robb)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/12 "2003-03-14T21:08:14Z")
**Lithium** , people around here are a bit wary of linking to other some message boards. In times past, people from here have posted on other message boards and brougth back angry members of those other boards. This leads to much unpleasantness. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/13 "2003-03-14T21:20:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*Gah, I can’t believe I just looked at that site. I need a shower now, God,what filth. \*\* My father used to call them “scoops”, because when their born the doctors “scoop” out their brains. 😃 > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*I didn’t see any “debate” over there, just a bunch of self-deluded psychopaths and hillbillies jerking each other off. I looked at a couple of the so-called “opposing view” threads, and it seemed to me like anyone who tried to argue with them got banned after one post. \*\* The debate over there consists of what type of lube to use while fucking their pets. In defense of **Lithium** , I think he/she was just shocked at running across a site like that. I know the first time I saw it I felt the urge to run and post my outrage with an included link. I certainly didn’t think it would start a board war-not everyone knows that people can track where you originally saw the link from. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/14 "2003-03-14T21:25:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lithium \* > I posted this thread here because I thought ppl were mature enough not to have a knee-jerk reaction to it. May I suggest you search GD for the word “Stormfront” and determine for yourself whether we have previously had the opportunity to consider their uniquely ignorant perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/15 "2003-03-14T21:29:06Z")
Hate. Plain, simple & ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/16 "2003-03-14T21:31:07Z")
**Lithium** , as you can see, Stormfront references raise people’s hackles and make them suspicious. I wonder if you’d be so good as to tell us what brought you to Stormfront’s Web site, whether you’re a registered poster there, and what brought you here? I don’t mean to give you the third degree, but it might allay people’s suspicions if you’ll answer these questions straightforwardly. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/17 "2003-03-14T22:16:28Z")
**Lithium** , I’ll say welcome, but you have to understand, we’ve had a series of Stormfront trolls posting here in the past, so people are suspicious of newbies who link to it. I think it would help if you gave some more context for your OP and your association (if any) with the site. ---
**Author:** ![Lithium](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/71c47a/32.png) [@Lithium](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lithium)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2003, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/18 "2003-03-15T00:18:12Z")
I have no affiliation with them. I now understand about this “forum war” you guys had. Sorry if this was a sensitive topic. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2003, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/19 "2003-03-15T00:29:28Z")
Okay, then, welcome. Obviously, we’re awfully leery of another invasion. On the subject of that and other similar boards: It’s interesting, isn’t it, how those on the side of truth thrive on open, unrestricted communication, while those on the side of ignorance depend on censorship and quashing competing expression to maintain their position? ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2003, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416/20 "2003-03-15T01:56:33Z")
Personally, I’m more than happy to see cats like those, spewing their vitriol and mindless pulp. Makes 'em easier to identify. I like to see it right out there in front of me, tells me that they’re no real danger. It’s the closeted racists and malingerers that worry me. For what it’s worth though, despite the fact that one may find their perticular brand of speech repugnant, it’s their right and i’m not going to stand in the way, in fact, I’ll turn my back on them, and take their power away… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfront-real-debate-or-hate/161416.md?page=2)