# Stormfronters here **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 12, 2013, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496 "2013-04-12T12:49:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/61 "2013-04-13T01:43:54Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Or something like that. So my great-grandchildren are gonna be mulatto zombies? And that’s gonna piss off dead white people? This is confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/62 "2013-04-13T01:53:03Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > So my great-grandchildren are gonna be mulatto zombies? And that’s gonna piss off dead white people? In the society of the undead, the mulatto zombies lord it over the white zombies, and get all the best _braaaains._ ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/63 "2013-04-13T02:18:47Z")
> [@cjepson](#): > > Eugene? Is that you? > **[Eugene Beep Burton](https://www.facebook.com/eugene.b.burton)** > > Eugene Beep Burton is on Facebook. Join Facebook to connect with Eugene Beep Burton and others you may know. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/64 "2013-04-13T02:32:45Z")
> [@C3](#): > > The other day, I noticed on the White House petitions page that there are a set of six petitions with the same language and arguments made by formulaone. If you click on their open petitions page: [https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions](https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions) and click on “Show More Petitions,” they’re in the top 40 of the open petitions. (I didn’t want to link directly because there are six of them and also, yuck.) You aren’t lying: > [@some racist fuck](#): > > (April #3 of 6) Teach public school children the truth: ANTI-RACIST IS A CODE WORD FOR ANTI-WHITE! > Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White countries for EVERYBODY? > > ALL white countries and ONLY White countries are being flooded with third world non-whites, and Whites are forced to integrate with them so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence. > > Flooding and forced assimilation is genocide when it’s done to Tibetans in Tibet, and it’s genocide when it’s done to Whites in White countries, by U.N. Convention: > > “Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.” > > The persons carrying out this genocide against Whites say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white! > > ANTI-RACIST IS A CODE WORD FOR ANTI-WHITE! > > * * * > > For a Future with White Children > > Berkeley STOP WHITE GENOCIDE petitions ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/65 "2013-04-13T02:41:23Z")
They have all got to be socks of each other It’s a white supremacist sock puppet orgy ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/66 "2013-04-13T06:15:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So you are saying that instead of banning them, we should have a script that directs their accounts to a parallel version of this board populated by bots? > > Regards, > Shodan “Parallel”? Actually, there are only six real live Dopers. And you know perfectly well you are not one of them. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/67 "2013-04-13T08:58:00Z")
I had to look up “stormfronter”. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/68 "2013-04-13T17:19:02Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > I had to look up “stormfronter”. ☹ Not to worry…so did I. Never even heard the term before. Maybe somebody should inform 'em they’re not doing very well at getting the word out? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/69 "2013-04-13T18:17:34Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > I’m unfamiliar w/ this hymn, can you share some more lyrics? _Give us this day our daily dick, and give us our orgies, as we also have given our key parties. And lead us into all kinds of temptation, but deliver us from abstinence._ 😃 > [@SeldomSeen](#): > > Not to worry…so did I. Never even heard the term before. Maybe somebody should inform 'em they’re not doing very well at getting the word out? Dear God, no - you don’t want them trying **harder.** ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/70 "2013-04-13T19:11:32Z")
1999 called, they want their board war back. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/71 "2013-04-13T19:34:18Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “Parallel”? Actually, there are only six real live Dopers. And you know perfectly well you are not one of them. :dubious: You’re on the internet when all of the sudden you look at your screen, and you see a poster, it’s posting something directed toward you. You reach down to your keyboard and flip the poster’s logic on its head. The poster flops about ineffectually, beating its brains out trying to explain itself, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that? ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/72 "2013-04-13T20:05:28Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > You’re on the internet when all of the sudden you look at your screen, and you see a poster, it’s posting something directed toward you. You reach down to your keyboard and flip the poster’s logic on its head. The poster flops about ineffectually, beating its brains out trying to explain itself, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that? _Applause._ ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/73 "2013-04-13T20:51:29Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > It is a known fact that you can’t procreate with farm animals. That doesn’t stop them from trying. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/74 "2013-04-13T22:20:26Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “Parallel”? Actually, there are only six real live Dopers. And you know perfectly well you are not one of them. :dubious: Heh, I think \*\*Shodan \*\*is riffing on the times other dopers have called him the Shodanbot for his countless robotic replies disparaging anything that sounds liberal. But allow me to say this: Thank you \*\*Shodan \*\*for telling and showing the racists in the GD thread that most conservatives do not follow the nonsense that the racists spew. (And now you all know why I do not put \*\*anyone \*\*on ignore). And instead of a parallel message board, I think those yahoos should go to a parallel universe, maybe one where they become old apple juice haters… https://www.youtube.com/embed/YdSfDeWQlII?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque&start=380 (Comedian Hannibal Buress, on how for a few blissful moments he thought a white guy at a store checkout was looking with disapproval only at his apple juice hoarding.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/75 "2013-04-13T23:39:20Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > As Rational Wiki reports, it is plausible that they are different people, people that come from the same swastika shaped cookie cutter: > > [White genocide - RationalWiki](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/White_extinction_scenario) Guess what? RatWik even has [a page](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racism_is_a_codeword_for_anti-white) on the **phrase.** > [@](#): > > **“Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white”** is an “argument” often used by white nationalists, white separatists, white supremacists and their ilk. Individuals who make this claim allege that the real bigots are actually the people who claim to be anti-racists, as they have a secret anti-white agenda. > > People that make this argument often cite anti-white comments made by certain alleged anti-racists; amongst their favourite targets (in an example of nutpicking) are the former Harvard professor Noel Ignatiev and his colleagues at Race Traitor. This obscure journal (whose correspondents denied the existence of white anti-racists, a denial with which the white anti-racist Ignatiev fully agreed[1]) called for the concept of a white race to be abolished and printed statements which, when taken out of context, appear to be calling for the literal extermination of white people (“The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race”). > > The argument falls to pieces when one considers the existence of individuals and groups who identify themselves as anti-racist and yet do, unlike cranks such as Ignatiev, oppose anti-white racism. The Southern Poverty Law Center, for example, has a whole section on its site dedicated to documenting black racists.[2] If it is true that “anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white,” then the SPLC must not be an anti-racist organisation. > > Other anti-racist groups that have countered bigotry and extremism from non-whites include the Anti-Defamation League,[3] Hope not Hate[4] and Genocide Watch.[5] > > The argument can be seen as an example of psychological projection. A person who sees the world entirely in terms of ethnic conflict may have trouble understanding that there are people who genuinely have a different worldview. As a result, they assume that anyone who claims to disagree with their views actually shares them, just in inverted form. > > The phrase was used as the title of a song[6] by the Australian white nationalist musician Johnny White Rabbit, who says that people who disagree are “brainwashed with joo shenanigans.”[7] > > **“The mantra”** > > A specific form of this argument, dubbed “the mantra,” was written by Bob Whitaker[8] (who believes that all Jews hope to eliminate white gentiles, just so you know[9]) and subsequently copy-pasted on various forums, blogs and comments boxes across the Internet. It runs as follows: > > > [@](#): > > > > ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY! > > Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries. > > > > The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them. > > > > Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites. > > > > What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries? > > > > How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem? > > > > And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this? > > > > But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews. > > > > They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white. > > > > Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.[10] > > Later versions of the mantra have subtle changes; most notably, the two uses of “everybody says” in the second line are replaced with “they say.” This sums up the straw man at the heart of the argument: exactly who is saying this? If the people being described have political power, then what body do they belong to - one which has control over the immigration policies of both the Netherlands and Japan? > > Beyond this, the mantra is a poorly written Gish Gallop which makes a number of flawed points along its way. It seems to class the United States as a white country, even though the country only has a white majority due to historical colonialism. It portrays Africa as having an all-black population; even if we leave aside the primarily Arab countries in the north of the continent this characterisation ignores the fact that South Africa, which is 79% black, has a larger number of ethnic minority people than the United States (79.96% white), Australia (92% white) and the United Kingdom (83.6% white). > > Another argument is that the total percentage of white population has been decreasing since the 1900s; this overlooks the distinction between percentage and population number. Whites comprised 75.1% of the total US population in 2000, and 72.4% in 2010; this is not a decrease in population, however, as the overall number of whites actually rose from 211,460,626 to 223,553,265.[11] > > One more gap in the mantra is the question of exactly why this alleged genocide is being carried out. Most conspiracy theories have a motive of some kind for the conspiracy to be orchestrated; this one, however, does not. (When asked, proponents’ reasons tend to boil down to some variant of “because Jews.”) > > The YouTube user Joniversity has also made a lengthy take-down of this mantra.[12] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/76 "2013-04-14T15:22:06Z")
This is more an ATMB comment, but it seems rather silly the way the mods are setting up the warning, then 2nd warning as if they need some sort of paper trail to ban these guys. Obvious troll from the first post and then tag team either sock or troll. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/77 "2013-04-14T17:11:48Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > This is more an ATMB comment, but it seems rather silly the way the mods are setting up the warning, then 2nd warning as if they need some sort of paper trail to ban these guys. Obvious troll from the first post and then tag team either sock or troll. I don’t think they’re trolls. I would guess they bought in whatever they’re posting. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/78 "2013-04-14T17:39:37Z")
The first guys was the very definition of a “concern troll”. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/79 "2013-04-14T17:51:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > This is more an ATMB comment, but it seems rather silly the way the mods are setting up the warning, then 2nd warning as if they need some sort of paper trail to ban these guys. Obvious troll from the first post and then tag team either sock or troll. But we are the “Good Guys,” we are the reasonable people, we follow established protocols even with the obviously guilty. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496/80 "2013-04-14T18:05:40Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > But we are the “Good Guys,” we are the reasonable people, we follow established protocols even with the obviously guilty. The mods have plenty of discretion on this, and they’ve banned plenty of trolls without issuing warnings. Similarly, they’ve locked plenty of threads that were obvious trolling threads, and some that were simply too full of vitriol. There’s [one thread in GD](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=688077) that was shut down just yesterday for less reason than the anti-racism = anti-white thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stormfronters-here/655496.md?page=5)