# Strange New Worlds season 2 to start June 15, 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** star-trek-paramount\ **Created:** [June 3, 2023, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959 "2023-06-03T15:25:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/261 "2024-07-28T19:08:23Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Well, there is clearly an in-show reason for them doing it - and yeah, its definitely being played up for laughs - and I’m good with it. These episodes are fun. I enjoy watching them. But… It is getting silly and I am not sure I am ok with the Star Trek universe getting silly like this. Lower Decks is fine because I see it as a comic and not canon. Strange New Worlds may be getting too clever for its own good. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/262 "2024-07-29T14:40:07Z")
Trek has a long history with silliness. The Trouble with Tribbles, after all, was an original series offering. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/263 "2024-07-29T14:52:56Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Lower Decks is fine because I see it as a comic and not canon. Lower Decks is canon, as are a million other silly things in the trek universe. You’re free to erase all that silly stuff from your personal headcanon, of course, but that means it’s likewise on you to erase _upcoming_ silly stuff from it as well. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/264 "2024-07-29T15:02:37Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Lower Decks is canon So, a cartoon character blipping into the real Trek universe is canon? Seems a bridge too far to me. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/265 "2024-07-29T15:07:15Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > So, a cartoon character blipping into the real Trek universe is canon? It’s a cartoon about canon characters. The TOS animated series was also a cartoon about canon characters. The animation is a medium, not a Roger rabbit situation where they’re literal cartoons. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/266 "2024-07-29T15:09:10Z")
Did you see the Strange New Worlds episode where the cartoon character poofed into the SNW universe as a real person, and then another cartoon character came over and then they went back to being cartoon characters? Actual cartoon characters. Not representations of “real” characters. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/267 "2024-07-29T15:13:18Z")
I saw an episode where canon characters were depicted in two separate mediums, yes. I didn’t see an episode where Boimler became a “real person” because he’s “real” in both shows - they’re just depicted to the viewers in different ways. This is like saying a novel can’t be canon because a novel is made of ink and paper rather than film. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/268 "2024-07-29T15:19:08Z")
Not really… In the show…an actual cartoon character poofed into SNW universe and became a human (two of them). And then they went back to cartoon universe as cartoons. It is not like I wrote a cartoon about you but you are a real person. It is like I wrote a cartoon and then they materialized in your room. Big difference. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/269 "2024-07-29T15:20:41Z")
Then how did Boimler recognize all the Enterprise crew? They didn’t look like cartoons. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/270 "2024-07-29T15:23:06Z")
Certainly they share a same story universe. But Boimler is a cartoon. Then he is not. Then he is again. The show literally embodied a cartoon character and then disembodied them back to a cartoon character. I get suspending disbelief for sci-fi but that is going a bit far even if it was fun to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/271 "2024-07-29T15:29:04Z")
Again, it’s fine for that to be your _personal headcanon_ but official canon is decided by Paramount. As far as I’m aware, all movies and television shows (including cartoons and that YA CGI thing) are canon. Novels and video games are another matter. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/272 "2024-07-29T15:31:32Z")
Boimler is a character, who has been portrayed by a cartoon and live action. Within the Star Trek canon, Boimler is a real character who served on the Cerritos and at some point was transported to the past on the Enterprise. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/273 "2024-07-29T15:33:48Z")
Then that means cartoon universe is real. Maybe Paramount is fine with that. My _personal headcanon_ is not. I think it is weird Paramount wants cartoon universe to be an actual real universe in the Trek canon. Maybe they do. If so then all bets are off. They can conjure any nonsense they want to. ETA: This is different than the Star Trek cartoon with Kirk. While the stories were canon it was just another medium to tell the stories. Cartoon Kirk did not exist as a cartoon that could pop into the “real” Trek universe. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/274 "2024-07-29T15:49:11Z")
All the previous Treks had their share of humorous and lighter episodes (Tribbles has funny dialogue and comic relief but the plot is about an attempt to poison an entire planet so there are some stakes there for whatever that’s worth) but SNW seems to be turning the light tone up to 11. It also suffers from the modern Trek issue where no one acts like adults. Everyone is written and acts like a teenager which exacerbates things. I like SNW but that is like saying it’s the best song on your favorite band’s worst album. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/275 "2024-07-29T15:49:28Z")
But the cartoon universe isn’t “the actual real universe” - it’s just another medium to tell stories. Just like The Animated Series. I don’t understand what problem you’re having with this. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/276 "2024-07-29T15:50:42Z")
In the SNW crossover episode, they told part of the story in a cartoon medium, and part in live action. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/277 "2024-07-29T15:51:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t understand what problem you’re having with this. Animated character popping into to real characters and then going back to animated characters. It is, literally, making cartoon universe a real place filled with cartoons. Separate and distinct from “normal” Trek universe but every bit as “real.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/278 "2024-07-29T15:51:55Z")
But that’s not what happened. Boimler is sometimes portrayed by the cartoon medium, and sometimes by live action. There’s no change in universes. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/279 "2024-07-29T15:53:14Z")
Did you see the episode? Boimler moves from cartoon to real and back to cartoon. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959/280 "2024-07-29T15:54:24Z")
No, he was portrayed as a cartoon, then portrayed as a live action character. I’ve watched the episode three times. One of my favorites. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-new-worlds-season-2-to-start-june-15-2023/984959.md?page=15)