# Strange things in Northern BC: quintuple murder, by one guy, or triple murder by two guys? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 24, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524 "2019-07-24T01:44:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/41 "2019-08-08T02:04:54Z")
Plus, the two teens’ bodies were found about 2000 km from where the other people were killed, and there’s not been any indication that they were travelling with a third person. All of the sightings in Saskatchewan and Manitoba were of just the two. For another person to be responsible for all five deaths, that person would have had to follow the two of them for 2000 miles and not be detected in the manhunt in northern Manitoba. And if the two teens weren’t fleeing justice, why did they end up in northern Manitoba, avoiding all human contact? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/42 "2019-08-08T02:51:26Z")
They tried escaping down the river in a boat. The boat and their bodies were found. Apparently it overturned in the river. Seems cut & dried to me. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/43 "2019-08-08T03:23:39Z")
Well, it’s undoubtedly them, but until autopsies are performed we have no idea what killed them. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/44 "2019-08-08T04:05:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > They tried escaping down the river in a boat. > > The boat and their bodies were found. Apparently it overturned in the river. Seems cut & dried to me. That is one theory. The police did find some items that they said belonged to the two near a damaged boat. This is what let the police to search very intensively in the area around the boat. I would not be surprised if the police used cadaver search dogs to find them. The two were apparently found within a kilometer of the boat in the bush. I’d be willing to bet that the time of death will be estimated to be around July 25 or 26, and it will have been murder/suicide. No doubt we’ll know more in the coming weeks. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/45 "2019-08-08T04:08:07Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > They tried escaping down the river in a boat. > > The boat and their bodies were found. Apparently it overturned in the river. Seems cut & dried to me. [From the article](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/bodies-found-manhunt-fugitives-1.5239053): “The remains of two men were found Wednesday at around 10 a.m local time _ **in dense brush** _”. Emphasis mine. There is no indication that they drowned or that the boat had anything to do with their demise. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/46 "2019-08-08T14:43:18Z")
Mounties searched over 11,000 sq. km for murder suspects > **[RCMP searched over 11,000 sq. km. for murder suspects who traversed 4...](https://globalnews.ca/news/5739806/rcmp-northern-bc-murder-suspects-search-area/amp/)** > > The RCMP commissioner said members working the B.C. murder case toiled "24/7, logging more than 4,500 investigation hours." Article summarising the search efforts, with statement from the Commissioner of the RCMP. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/47 "2019-08-08T21:45:21Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > They tried escaping down the river in a boat. > > The boat and their bodies were found. Apparently it overturned in the river. Seems cut & dried to me. Probably not _dried_, if that has theory has any truth to it. What? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/48 "2019-08-08T22:14:43Z")
Cut and dried is a common expression that I’ve used since childhood. Merriam Webster suggests using hyphens. > **[Definition of CUT-AND-DRIED](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cut-and-dried)** > > being or done according to a plan, set procedure, or formula : routine… See the full definition I’m curious to learn what did happen to these suspects. It It took one heck of a hit to bend the sides of that boat. It’ll probably take a few weeks before the authorities say what actually happened. ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/49 "2019-08-08T22:29:52Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Probably not _dried_, if that has theory has any truth to it. > > What? > [@aceplace57](#): > > Cut and dried is a common expression that I’ve used since childhood. Merriam Webster suggests using hyphens. Woosh! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/50 "2019-08-08T23:48:41Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Cut and dried is a common expression that I’ve used since childhood. Merriam Webster suggests using hyphens. > > [Cut-and-dried Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cut-and-dried) > > I’m curious to learn what did happen to these suspects. It It took one heck of a hit to bend the sides of that boat. I read an article after the boat was found, quoting a local person saying that there was a waterfall upriver of where it was found, that is not readily apparent until you’re pretty close to it. Going over a waterfall could bend an aluminium boat. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/51 "2019-08-09T01:13:09Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Cut and dried is a common expression that I’ve used since childhood. Since you were an 11-year-old teenager? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/52 "2019-08-09T03:24:14Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Since you were an 11-year-old teenager? Since he was eleventeen, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/53 "2019-08-09T03:27:06Z")
Mayor of Port Albernini, where the two teens were from, gives a good interview about the effect it’s all been having in the town, the availability of counselling for teenagers who were at school with the two, and so on. Also expresses her sympathy for the residents of Gillam, two provinces over, who went through lockdowns and searches and were concerned for their personal safety. **Floaty Gimpy** , hope you’re holding up okay! > **[Port Alberni mayor says town will 'pull together' after manhunt ends](https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/canada/2019/8/7/1_4540655.html)** > > The mayor of Port Alberni, the hometown of the B.C. murder suspects, said the town will ‘pull together’ after the manhunt ended Wednesday with the discovery of two bodies believed to be the suspects. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/54 "2019-08-12T13:39:34Z")
Mounties have stated that they’ve found something near the bodies that may be of interest in explaining what happened in BC; further announcement may follow. [RCMP in Gillam find new item that ‘may be of interest’ in B.C. homicide investigation](https://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/rcmp-in-gillam-find-new-item-that-may-be-of-interest-in-b-c-homicide-investigation-1.4544250) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/55 "2019-08-12T13:40:55Z")
and a war of words between sister of the woman killed in BC and the father of one of the suspects: [Sister of B.C. murder victim accuses Bryer Schmegelsky’s dad of failing to take responsibility](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/homicide-victims-sister-accuses-fugitives-dad-of-failing-to-take-responsibility) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/56 "2019-08-12T14:20:36Z")
I’m not saying she’s wrong, but that’s a nasty, self-centered letter she wrote about a guy she feels is being too self-centered. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/57 "2019-08-12T14:31:10Z")
That was my reaction as well. She didn’t come across as a nice person. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/58 "2019-08-12T14:39:45Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > That was my reaction as well. She didn’t come across as a nice person. I believe that her not being nice is understandable under the circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/59 "2019-08-12T21:18:04Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Cause of death will be determined by an autopsy but I’m going to guess suicide was a likely possibility, as they were in deep wilderness with no resources and the whole country on the lookout for them. “RCMP confirmed Monday the two bodies found in northern Manitoba last week are those of homicide suspects, Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky, and said the two died in what appears to be suicides by gunfire.” > **[RCMP say B.C. fugitives died in what appears to be suicides by gunfire | CBC...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-homicide-suspects-autopsy-update-1.5243741)** > > RCMP confirmed Monday the two bodies are fugitives Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod, and they died in what appears to be suicides by gunfire. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/60 "2019-08-12T21:23:03Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > and a war of words between sister of the woman killed in BC and the father of one of the suspects: > > [Sister of B.C. murder victim accuses Bryer Schmegelsky’s dad of failing to take responsibility](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/homicide-victims-sister-accuses-fugitives-dad-of-failing-to-take-responsibility) I try not to judge by appearances but he is one weird-looking dude, looks like the archetypal “bad parent” from central casting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524.md?page=4)