# Strange things in Northern BC: quintuple murder, by one guy, or triple murder by two guys? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 24, 2019, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524 "2019-07-24T01:44:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/61 "2019-08-12T22:39:21Z")
The news this evening revealed that police are saying both their deaths were suicide by gunshot. ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/62 "2019-08-13T13:51:55Z")
They’re also going to be comparing the guns to those that killed the other three, I suspect that’s will just confirm what most people already suspect, that they were murdered by the pair. > **[RCMP: Teen suspects in northern B.C. murders died by suicide, with guns found...](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/teen-suspects-in-northern-b-c-murders-dead-by-suicide-with-guns-nearby-says-rcmp)** > > Police said there were 'strong indications' that the fugitives had been alive for a few days after they were last seen in July ---
**Author:** ![Kimera757](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimera757/32/3765_2.png) [@Kimera757](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimera757)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/63 "2019-08-14T00:38:17Z")
I wish they’d been captured alive. At least then we could ask … why? I did some reading and saw suggestions that they were obsessed with the Azov Battalion. That’s a neo-Nazi _Russian_ militia based in occupied Ukraine. (And while they deny these political leanings, they frequently wear Nazi armbands.) This battalion doesn’t make sense. The Nazis literally hated Russians. (Bryer Schmegelsky is of Ukrainian descent.) ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/64 "2019-08-14T00:57:25Z")
I’m thinking - under the circumstances, how are the police going to tell the difference between a double-suicide and a murder-suicide? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/65 "2019-08-14T01:32:48Z")
> [@Kimera757](#): > > I wish they’d been captured alive. At least then we could ask … why? > > I did some reading and saw suggestions that they were obsessed with the Azov Battalion. That’s a neo-Nazi _Russian_ militia based in occupied Ukraine. (And while they deny these political leanings, they frequently wear Nazi armbands.) This battalion doesn’t make sense. The Nazis literally hated Russians. (Bryer Schmegelsky is of Ukrainian descent.) The only good thing about Nazis is that they killed a lot of Russians. The only good thing about Russians is that they killed a lot of Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/66 "2019-08-14T01:33:17Z")
> [@Kimera757](#): > > I wish they’d been captured alive. At least then we could ask … why? > > I did some reading and saw suggestions that they were obsessed with the Azov Battalion. That’s a neo-Nazi _Russian_ militia based in occupied Ukraine. (And while they deny these political leanings, they frequently wear Nazi armbands.) This battalion doesn’t make sense. The Nazis literally hated Russians. (Bryer Schmegelsky is of Ukrainian descent.) Why would you believe them? They were criminally crazy; there’s no _sense_ to what they did. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/67 "2019-08-14T01:39:21Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Why would you believe them? They were criminally crazy; there’s no _sense_ to what they did. Yes, they were insane. To hell with them. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/68 "2019-08-14T01:45:10Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > I’m thinking - under the circumstances, how are the police going to tell the difference between a double-suicide and a murder-suicide? Both of them had gunpowder traces on one hand, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2019, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/69 "2019-08-14T12:58:16Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Both of them had gunpowder traces on one hand, perhaps? “Hey, could you shoot that stump over there?” “Why?” “Just as a favor.” Blam. “Happy?” “Sure, now let me try it with your gun.” Blam. “You, you … shot me …” Different blam. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/70 "2019-08-15T02:32:33Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > I’m thinking - under the circumstances, how are the police going to tell the difference between a double-suicide and a murder-suicide? Angle of entry is a major one. While possible to match what someone would do for a suicide, it is very difficult. Police and forensic analysts can be ridiculously good at deconstructing the events. That is, if they really care. All they really want to do is eliminate any possibility of a third person on the scene. Once they are confident that it was just the two of them, what meaningful difference would there be between murder/suicide vs double-suicide? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524/71 "2019-08-15T12:59:53Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Angle of entry is a major one. While possible to match what someone would do for a suicide, it is very difficult. Police and forensic analysts can be ridiculously good at deconstructing the events. > > That is, if they really care. All they really want to do is eliminate any possibility of a third person on the scene. Once they are confident that it was just the two of them, what meaningful difference would there be between murder/suicide vs double-suicide? Notifying next of kin. Police and the courts like to know exactly what happened in legal situations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strange-things-in-northern-bc-quintuple-murder-by-one-guy-or-triple-murder-by-two-guys/837524.md?page=3)