# Stranger Things 4 trailer \[spoilers for season 3 & 4\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, netflix\ **Created:** [February 14, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939 "2020-02-14T16:30:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/61 "2022-06-02T16:09:15Z")
Honestly I think you’re putting too much into this. Like others have mentioned they decided to stick around and finish the fight. I think they said Vecna only had 12hp left. Dustin rolled and missed. Lucas’ sister rolled and hit a natural 20. And they win. But honestly I think if Dustin scored a hit, or Lucas’ sister scored a regular hit they probably could have done 12hp of damage against Vecna. I guess we don’t know what character class Dustin was (or what level) and I think Lucas’ sister was a rogue, can’t recall what level. And again we don’t know what weapons they were using or what type of attack. Could either hit conceivably do more than 12hp damage? Fu… Look who’s putting too much into this… Sorry MtM ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/62 "2022-06-03T02:13:24Z")
Okay, finally all caught up. > [@Ashtura](#): > > There’s basically no other way to interpret it after that. She unwittingly released him (One/Vecna) by removing a chip from his neck. He killed almost everybody in the facility besides her, then she defeated him and sent him to he upside down. More than that, did Eleven in that moment create the Upside Down? That’s Scarlet Witch or maybe even Phoenix Force level power. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/63 "2022-06-03T02:33:24Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Was there ever an explicit explanation in universe as to where El’s powers went towards the end of season 3 and into season 4? I think in the moment you’re supposed to assume it was some kind of infection/poisoning from the Mind Flayer, but Brenner seems to suggest it’s more of a psychological block. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/64 "2022-06-03T15:51:33Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > More than that, did Eleven in that moment create the Upside Down? That’s Scarlet Witch or maybe even Phoenix Force level power. I hope not, because, imo, that’s fucking stupid. Ruins the mythos of an ancient Lovecraftian evil (didn’t they even say that in the episode? That it could have been around for a million years?). Why would the protagonist, an innocent little girl, basically create hell? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/65 "2022-06-03T16:05:56Z")
out of fear and/or anger - the way any good hell would be created. That being said - I don’t think she created it - she just opened the door. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/66 "2022-06-03T17:06:14Z")
Given that Upside-Down Nancy’s diary entries stopped on the same day El opened the gate, the Upside Down appears to be a copy of our world as it existed up to that moment, so it’s at least possible that El (and One, who was basically an overcharged battery of stolen psychic energy) brought it into being. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/67 "2022-06-03T17:42:19Z")
I took that as a sign that it had existed for a long time, but El physically connected the two worlds for the first time, thus somehow severing the link that kept them matching. That is, they had existed separately but linked somehow in physical form, so a change in our world also changes in the Upside Down… but once they were physically linked by El, those changes no longer matched. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/68 "2022-06-03T18:40:46Z")
I don’t think it required a lucky roll. I think it required a lucky roll GIVEN that they already were doing very badly. They fought, were losing, and decided on a hail mary. Some basketball games are won by just chucking the ball up at the end of the game, but that doesn’t mean that’s what the game is about. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/69 "2022-06-03T18:48:43Z")
Interestingly, the closing comments from the module Die Vecna Die! read: > [@](#): > > “Even with Vecna’s removal, his time in the crux effected change in superspace… Some Outer Planes drift off and are forever lost, others collide and merge, while at least one Inner Plane runs “aground” on a distant world of the Prime. Moreover, the very nature of the Prime Material Plane itself is altered. Half-worlds… multiply a millionfold, taking on parallel realism in what was before a unified Prime Material Plane. The concept of alternate dimensions rears its metaphorical head, but doesn’t yet solidify, and perhaps it never will. New realms, both near and far, are revealed and realms never previously imagined make themselves known. Entities long thought lost emerge once more, while other creatures, both great and small, are inexplicably eradicated… However, one thing remains clear: Nothing will ever be the same again.” ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/70 "2022-06-04T00:42:03Z")
I finished the very long 7th episode tonight. Damn, this show is great. I didn’t figure out the orderly was one until El popped the chip out of him. I did realize he was likely Vecna though earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Lancia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lancia/32/17174_2.png) [@Lancia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lancia)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/71 "2022-06-04T00:59:02Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I didn’t figure out the orderly was one until El popped the chip out of him. I did realize he was likely Vecna though earlier. My wife figured out Venca = 001 before the last episode. When Eleven had the first memory about the orderly sitting down on the floor and talking to Eleven about how 001 used to struggle and then something about using her anger and sadness to build her powers my wife put 2 and 2 together right then. Plus the focus on the orderly more than Brenner or Owen made me think he was going to be more significant to the storyline than just being a memory. But I never did identify him as 001 before the reveal. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/72 "2022-06-04T01:01:45Z")
I thought the orderly was going to molest her or something, triggering her to massacre everyone in a fit of rage. (It isn’t like we haven’t seen her killing people in anger before.) ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/73 "2022-06-04T11:10:29Z")
I finished watching the episodes from Season 4 and I really liked it…except for the whole Russia subplot. Whenever they switched to that story, it brought things to a screeching halt for me. My radar pinged when Robert Englund said his son was “sensitive” and my hypothesis about the fate of his son turned out to be correct. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/74 "2022-06-04T15:09:58Z")
If there is a snack-sized gate at every place where Vecna killed someone, then Fred’s gate would be in the middle of the road (which has got to weird out the local travelers). Anybody else see Argyle’s hippy van driving through it at high speed later on? Probably trailing a stream of smoke from those super-safe plants he likes. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/75 "2022-06-04T16:24:46Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Anybody else see Argyle’s hippy van driving through it at high speed later on? Hit a plothole? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/76 "2022-06-05T14:35:00Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > I finished watching the episodes from Season 4 and I really liked it…except for the whole Russia subplot. Whenever they switched to that story, it brought things to a screeching halt for me. Yeah… that subplot really kills the vibe for me. It’s like it’s a different show, and a worse one. I’m also curious… but, is Robin a completely different character? Maybe I just misremember, but I don’t recall her being this “can’t stop talking” goofball in Season 3. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/77 "2022-06-05T14:50:25Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I’m also curious… but, is Robin a completely different character? Maybe I just misremember, but I don’t recall her being this “can’t stop talking” goofball in Season 3. The few times when she was A) stressed and B) not stoned, she was pretty talky. In season 4, she’s pretty much always stressed and never stoned. ---
**Author:** ![Author\_Balk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Author\_Balk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Author_Balk)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/78 "2022-06-05T17:24:46Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > They held the final two episodes for over a month, I think? Anyone know why? Does the opening 7 series of episodes setup a big finale this year? I learned something today. It looks like this is related to Emmy eligibility. I think it makes it so they can win Emmy’s for both part one and part two. From the article: The move means that like the final seasons of “Better Call Saul” and “Ozark,” the fourth season of the blockbuster science-fiction series will straddle the 2022 and 2023 Emmy Award eligibility windows. (The 2022 Emmys deadline is May 31.) > **[‘Stranger Things’ Season 4 split into two parts, sets premiere dates](https://www.goldderby.com/article/2022/stranger-things-season-4-premiere/)** > > Add the fourth season of “Stranger Things” to the list of Emmy Awards contenders in 2022 and 2023. As announced by Netflix on Wednesday, “Stranger Things 4” is being split into two, with the first … ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/79 "2022-06-05T17:30:25Z")
I’ve heard that, too, but the director says that the final two episodes simply weren’t ready to be shown in May. > **[Stranger Things Director Explains Why Season 4 Was Split Into Two Volumes](https://gamerant.com/stranger-things-season-4-two-volumes-reason-shawn-levy/)** > > Stranger Things season 4 has a lot of subject matter to cover, with the timeline jumping between multiple characters in various locations. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939/80 "2022-06-05T21:24:05Z")
I know I am over thinking, but the time line is not making sense after watching episode 7. If the kid hadn’t been banished to the in between until he was older, then why were the mom, dad, and daughter (or at least the father) all pulled into the in between when they were killed (well the dad escaped using music…) ? It seemed like prior to that he was just killing animals using telekinesis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stranger-things-4-trailer-spoilers-for-season-3-4/847939.md?page=5)