**Author:**  [@Will\_Repair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Will_Repair)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strict-xhtml-and-unordered-lists/448672/2 "2008-05-09T08:46:42Z")
This is the first of 11 errors.
Line 14, Column 5: document type does not allow element “ul” here; missing one of “object”, “ins”, “del”, “map”, “button” start-tag.
\
The mentioned element is not allowed to appear in the context in which you’ve placed it; the other mentioned elements are the only ones that are both allowed there and can contain the element mentioned. This might mean that you need a containing element, or possibly that you’ve forgotten to close a previous element.
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**Author:**  [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strict-xhtml-and-unordered-lists/448672/3 "2008-05-09T09:46:47Z")
I don’t know. Your example looks identical to the ‘correct’ nested list example here:
[http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml\_html.asp](http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml_html.asp)
-However, I must be overlooking something obvious, as I replaced your nested lists with a C&P of the code on that page and it validated OK…
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**Author:**  [@Will\_Repair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Will_Repair)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strict-xhtml-and-unordered-lists/448672/4 "2008-05-09T09:57:32Z")
I have an ending \ instead of \.
Now I’ll start splicing my real index.html into [listindex.com](http://listindex.com) until I find the error.
\
\
Items
\
\SubItem\
\SubItem
\
\SubSubItem\
\SubSubItem\
\
\
\SubItem\
\
\
\
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**Author:**  [@Will\_Repair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Will_Repair)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strict-xhtml-and-unordered-lists/448672/5 "2008-05-09T10:07:51Z")
Its the \ tags. Without the \ instead of \ at the end of the list and without the \ and \ it passes.
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**Author:**  [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strict-xhtml-and-unordered-lists/448672/6 "2008-05-09T10:43:05Z")
Do you need the \ tags? Can you put it inside a \ instead?
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**Author:**  [@Will\_Repair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Will_Repair)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strict-xhtml-and-unordered-lists/448672/7 "2008-05-09T11:03:30Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout]
Do you need the \ tags? Can you put it inside a \ instead?
[/QUOTE]
Yes but the formating is different. Within the \\ the items are spaced further apart.
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**Author:**  [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strict-xhtml-and-unordered-lists/448672/8 "2008-05-09T11:10:49Z")
[QUOTE=Will Repair]
Yes but the formating is different. Within the \\ the items are spaced further apart.
[/QUOTE]
Could that be overcome in your CSS? - something like:
.spaciouslist {
line-height: 140%
}
Then:
\
[your nested lists]
\
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**Author:**  [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strict-xhtml-and-unordered-lists/448672/9 "2008-05-09T13:31:42Z")
I believe you should close the \ before opening the \
```auto
List item
Next list item
```
And, of course, lose the P tags. Use a DIV with an ID if you need to specifically address that one list, and put a line-height on the LI styling within that ID. Otherwise just don’t bother.
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**Author:**  [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\
**Post date:** [May 9, 2008, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/strict-xhtml-and-unordered-lists/448672/10 "2008-05-09T15:24:36Z")
Actually, I’m still a bit wet behind the ears with CSS… if you want all lists to be a bit more spacious, couldn’t you just modify the way the \ tag works by putting:
li {
line-height: 140%
}
in the CSS?