# STS-80 UFO Video **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 9, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sts-80-ufo-video/505841 "2009-08-09T16:54:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![jakesteele](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ed8c4c/32.png) [@jakesteele](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jakesteele)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sts-80-ufo-video/505841/61 "2009-08-14T01:03:10Z")
> [@Chief\_Pedant](#): > > I did answer it, in Post #21. > > Here’s his question, in full: > **(by Ryan Liam)** > _"Ok, that’s a good point in explaining civilian UFO reports, and I agree that more than likely that about 99.99999999999% are perfectly explainable, however, harking back to a previous post, what about Military reports of UFO’s where planes actually chase these objects around, or where military aircraft give chase and their entire electronics are shut off etc? "_ > > My answer is that no one will be able to satisfy his, “Well, I see your explanation makes sense for that, but what about this” approach. It’s utterly useless to address a given (or even all) Military Report because what is going on is an underlying determination to Believe. > > I did address the Military Report cited a few posts ago. I will not be returning to address them all one by one. > > Batboy Lives, as I mentioned above. [http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper609/stills/268105s3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hlrecord.org/news/2005/11/17/Opinion/bat-Boy.Lives.Reviewed.Freaks.Sideshows-1109913.shtml&h=400&w=322&sz=36&tbnid=1IkQw7-L8QWLxM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbat%2Bboy%2Blives&hl=en&usg=\_\_ii8u4iHKzk0fjVgskcxl3-hE5Y0=&ei=0RWESuaBO4H-NbvFzc0E&sa=X&oi=image\_result&resnum=6&ct=image](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper609/stills/268105s3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hlrecord.org/news/2005/11/17/Opinion/bat-Boy.Lives.Reviewed.Freaks.Sideshows-1109913.shtml&h=400&w=322&sz=36&tbnid=1IkQw7-L8QWLxM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbat%2Bboy%2Blives&hl=en&usg=__ii8u4iHKzk0fjVgskcxl3-hE5Y0=&ei=0RWESuaBO4H-NbvFzc0E&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=6&ct=image) No, you didn’t address his question. All you did was come across with a condescending Argument from Immaculate Perception™ - “right thinkers” are the only ones who see reality exactly as it is unhindered by any cognitive biases. So therefore, to disagree with them is to disagree with reality itself." If you remove all your condescension, cognitive biases and psychological blind spots, what we’re left with is this: \*"…what about Military reports of UFO’s where planes actually chase these objects around, or where military aircraft give chase and their entire electronics are shut off etc? " \* ---
**Author:** ![Chief\_Pedant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@Chief\_Pedant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chief_Pedant)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sts-80-ufo-video/505841/62 "2009-08-14T03:48:21Z")
> [@jakesteele](#): > > No, you didn’t address his question. All you did was come across with a condescending Argument from Immaculate Perception™ - “right thinkers” are the only ones who see reality exactly as it is unhindered by any cognitive biases. So therefore, to disagree with them is to disagree with reality itself." > > If you remove all your condescension, cognitive biases and psychological blind spots, what we’re left with is this: > > \*"…what about Military reports of UFO’s where planes actually chase these objects around, or where military aircraft give chase and their entire electronics are shut off etc? " > \* I think you are missing my point. The impression from the question is that there are gobs of these various Military Reports out there, many credible and undebunked. My point is that tackling them one by one and debunking them is useless because the the clear bias of the OP is to say “Well fine about that one, but what about this one?” and there is no end to the number of stories. One could debunk a thousand in a row and there would be the thousand and first, awaiting a request for verification. That there are gobs of military stories out there is no more persuasive than that there are gobs of civilian stories out there. We are all error-prone and the desire to Believe and interpret with bias is no respector of career choice. ---
**Author:** ![Wakinyan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wakinyan/32/352_2.png) [@Wakinyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wakinyan)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sts-80-ufo-video/505841/63 "2009-08-14T10:01:07Z")
> [@Astroboy14](#): > > I got no dog in this hunt, but I have to point out that the records are being declassified (or have been by now I guess); that may be why he is speaking out now. Reading the FOXNewns article linked to before, it seems obvious that is the case. England (as I believe France did earlier) is declassifying “UFO reports” now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sts-80-ufo-video/505841.md?page=3)