# Student Kidnaps the Eucharist... PZ Myers to the Rescue! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 11, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147 "2008-07-11T16:12:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/121 "2008-07-11T20:30:16Z")
Selling one lot of four Catholics, lightly used… I think that most people think that assault and death threats are thoroughly unreasonable reactions to the situation. Funnily enough, so is blaming every atheist for PZ Myers being a dripping asshole or blaming all Catholics for these guys being violent, reactionary fools. It’s just fucking rude, all right? I don’t shit on your dining room table, you don’t screw with my weird little rituals, no matter how silly you find them. When did it become so acceptable to be a raving prick? That includes the death-threatters and Myers both. This behavior is about as mature as a nine year old boy screaming “I’M NOT TOUCHING YOUUUUU”. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/122 "2008-07-11T20:31:43Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] Again, bad analogy. [/quote] I wasn’t arguing against it being rude; I was trying to reason out whether it’s stealing in a moral sense. > [@](#): > > Failure to do so is a lie by omission. Compelling, but for some reason a doubt lingers in my mind. Would taking a Bible from the Gideons to level my coffee table be a similar lie by omission? It feels different; perhaps the level of expectation (as opposed to hoping or wanting) is different. In both situation, the priest / Gideon _wants_ you to treat the object in a particular way, but the priest has a stronger legitimate _expectation_ that you will do so. Does that make any sense? And now that more information has been brought to light, I’ve gotta say that committing assault to get a cracker back that you willingly gave someone who was not intending to harm or annoy you in any way is _insane_. (Assuming, of course, that he’s telling the truth.) ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/123 "2008-07-11T20:33:08Z")
Yeah, I get that only a few people threatened him with death, not the Pope. Except you all got your panties in a bunch, not because people threatened to kill him, but because he threatened to disrespect a cracker. Who’s the bigger asshole, the guy who threatens to disrespect a cracker, or the guy who threatens to murder the guy who threatens to disrespect a cracker? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/124 "2008-07-11T20:36:54Z")
> [@HSHP](#): > > And Cook doesn’t have to have read the Catechism. You asked for proof of the CHURCH’s intent that the gift be eaten. Try to keep up. If the church didn’t inform him of the conditions, then as soon as he accepted the gift it was his. You can’t prove that they informed him of the conditions, so you’re shit out of luck. I love the way you’re so fast to pull the slick lawyer shit out on someone else’s argument, but refuse to shine the same light on your own. > [@](#): > > They didn’t threaten anyone. They attempted to stop a sacreligious act. No, they didn’t threaten him, they actually assaulted him! And continued to do so after he repeatedly told them to get their hands off of him! I don’t know what theocracy you live in, but in Indiana law stopping a sacreligious act is not a defense for battery. There is absolutely no justification for anybody in that church to have put their hands on Cook. But feel free to continue to defend the indefensible. You’re doing your profession proud. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/125 "2008-07-11T20:38:05Z")
[QUOTE=whole bean] It is my understanding that “Eucharist” is the name of the sacrament itself, the ceremony, and is also commonly referred to as Communion or Holy Communion. I believe the proper name for the cracker is the Host. (notwithstanding the linked articles) [/QUOTE] [tap. tap.] this thing on? [tap.tap.] ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/126 "2008-07-11T20:39:58Z")
Simple solution, the Pope issues a new edict: “The Host is sacred only when on Church grounds. You take it past the doorway, it’s a Triscuit. You wanna piss on a Triscuit, knock yourself out.” Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/127 "2008-07-11T20:41:40Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] The phrase “Take this, all of you, and eat it,” is part of the Liturgy of the Eucharist. [/QUOTE] A handy phrase for those of us in the laity as well, at times—although now I’m worried I may owe significant royalties. And can we all agree candidly that the wafer is the lamest of breads? Hipper denominations are offering their Edible Christ as brioche, sun-dried tomato focaccia, and low-carb wrap. Still no bagels, curiously. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/128 "2008-07-11T20:44:33Z")
[QUOTE=Don’t Call Me Shirley] No, they didn’t threaten him, they actually assaulted him! And continued to do so after he repeatedly told them to get their hands off of him! [/QUOTE] I’m not defending the church leader’s use of force, but the way you talk here makes it sound like something truly awful happened. One lady grabbed his wrist and tried to open his hand and get the wafer back. Inappropriate but hardly something to go home to mommy and cry about. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/129 "2008-07-11T20:46:51Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] And can we all agree candidly that the wafer is the lamest of breads? Hipper denominations are offering their Edible Christ as brioche, sun-dried tomato focaccia, and low-carb wrap. Still no bagels, curiously. [/QUOTE] At one Episcopal service I went to, Christ’s body and blood was chocolate and champagne. Sacrilicious! ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/130 "2008-07-11T20:47:01Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] I’m not defending the church leader’s use of force, but the way you talk here makes it sound like something truly awful happened. One lady grabbed his wrist and tried to open his hand and get the wafer back. Inappropriate but hardly something to go home to mommy and cry about. [/QUOTE] Funny, I feel the same way about the taking of the wafer. But apparently some people think it’s worth killing over. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/131 "2008-07-11T20:47:53Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] **Diogenes** asks for a cite about what the priest said. [/quote] No I didn’t. I’m well acquainted with the liturgy. Are you confusing my posts with someone else’s? ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/132 "2008-07-11T20:49:20Z")
[QUOTE=Don’t Call Me Shirley] If the church didn’t inform him of the conditions, then as soon as he accepted the gift it was his. You can’t prove that they informed him of the conditions, so you’re shit out of luck. [/QUOTE] By the time of their first Communion doesn’t every Catholic know what the conditions are? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/133 "2008-07-11T20:50:16Z")
Conceptually, this is basically a case of flag burning. Desecrating the icons of zealots. Generally speaking, I am in favor of flag burning. I’m opposed to attributing too much importance to mere _things_. Also, generally speaking, I don’t do flag-burning-like activities myself, because I’m aware there are maniacs with pitchforks and torches out there. But I support the right of those who burn flags to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/134 "2008-07-11T20:50:56Z")
[QUOTE=Don’t Call Me Shirley] Funny, I feel the same way about the taking of the wafer. But apparently some people think it’s worth killing over. [/QUOTE] Yes, and I think everyone is in agreement that those people suck. What else do you want? A Papal apology? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/135 "2008-07-11T20:53:46Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] What else do you want? A Papal apology? [/QUOTE] That’d be nice. I’d like two please. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/136 "2008-07-11T20:56:12Z")
[QUOTE=Gorsnak] That’d be nice. I’d like two please. [/QUOTE] Alright. I’ll submit the paperwork and in 400 years you will have your apology. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/137 "2008-07-11T21:03:29Z")
[QUOTE=Don’t Call Me Shirley] I don’t know what theocracy you live in, but in Indiana law stopping a sacreligious act is not a defense for battery. [/QUOTE] Of more relevance, it isn’t a defense in Florida either. Anyway, Mr. Cook has [returned](http://www.wftv.com/news/16806050/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news) the [del]body of Christ[/del] cracker. On the one hand, I’m delighted that my school gets to be in the news for something [other](http://www.wftv.com/news/2560159/detail.html) [than](http://www.wesh.com/news/10166479/detail.html) [hazing](http://www.wftv.com/news/2950322/detail.html) (in the interest of full disclosure, I’ll mention that I’m a member of one of those fraternities); on the other, it sounds like everyone involved in _this_ story deserves a good punch in the mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/138 "2008-07-11T21:24:43Z")
[QUOTE= Shirley] If the church didn’t inform him of the conditions, then as soon as he accepted the gift it was his. You can’t prove that they informed him of the conditions, so you’re shit out of luck. I love the way you’re so fast to pull the slick lawyer shit out on someone else’s argument, but refuse to shine the same light on your own. [/QUOTE] Umm… yes, I did prove it. “Take this, all of you, and eat it.” It was said about 7 minutes before Cook got his wafer. Or did you miss that part? You probably missed that part, since you’re a moron. I even included the alternate theories of habit evidence and business practice to prove that those words were said. You probably missed that too, since you’re a moron. For someone who hates lawyers so much, you don’t seem to spend a lot of quality time around them. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/139 "2008-07-11T21:27:24Z")
[QUOTE= Miller] “Lots,” in this case, meaning “four.” [/QUOTE] You mean “allegedly four.” I have no basis for any rational belief that this blowhard has actually been threatened with death. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147/140 "2008-07-11T21:36:52Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] No I didn’t. I’m well acquainted with the liturgy. Are you confusing my posts with someone else’s? [/QUOTE] :smack: Yup. Sorry about that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/student-kidnaps-the-eucharist-pz-myers-to-the-rescue/456147.md?page=8)