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I will take your word for it, and apologize for my ignorance on the subject of Muslims and pork.
After educating myself on religious dietary laws, I change my analogy to:
Explain to me how a non-Hindu desecrating a cow by eating it is any different than a non-catholic desecrating a cracker by not eating it?
You didn’t read the article, did you?
It is pretty analagous. We say we have a right to be in Iraq, and idiot said he had a right to be in the church. Then both principals engaged in desecration.
Ummm… “Take this, all of you, AND EAT IT.” Does that ring any bells? I think it does nicely to establish the scope of the gift, so does the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part Two, Section Two, Chapter 1, Article III, Subsection 7, # 1408, so does anyone who understands English, and so would you if you weren’t deliberately being an asshole to provoke a reaction.
It’s OK, though. Over the last couple of months I’ve come to expect it from you.
The rest of your post was this:
The church is threatening no one.
All you’ve got about the “death threats” is some attention-seeking asshole gleefully claiming that he has received them.
So let me then ask you for a cite as to the death threats that this guy has received.
Time to put up or shut up.
It’s a gay thing. You wouldn’t understand.
How is your guess that some hypothetical person ends up dead because of your issues with Catholics… harm?
As with all religious groups there are zealots coming out of the woodwork. I can’t imagine a true Catholic threatening to do someone harm over this but saying it’s no big deal is bullshit.
But it’s not worth throwing somebody a beating much less taking a life over.
It was hyperbole. Calm down.
And I have no issues with Catholics in particular.
No kidding, huh?
I would argue that those issuing death threats in this case are not acting very Catholic at all. Issuing a death threat doesn’t strike me as a very Catholic or Christian thing to do. I would characterize these folks as nutjobs.
Cite that the priest said this on this occasion? Since we’re being all lawyerly and shit, I assume you can provide proof that this was said in this guy’s presence?
Cite that the guy has read the Catechism?
Time to put up or shut up.
Its followers are, which I said in my post. In fact, I originally wrote just the church, but then I thought “some asshole lawyer is going to point out that the ‘church’ didn’t make any threats, so I’d better go back and include the church’s followers too.”
The cite is the newspaper article and Meyers’s blog claiming death threats. If you have evidence that they are lying, provide a cite. And after you provide that cite, you can provide cites for the other claims that you’ve made in this thread without any evidence.
It is my understanding that “Eucharist” is the name of the sacrament itself, the ceremony, and is also commonly referred to as Communion or Holy Communion. I believe the proper name for the cracker is the Host.
(notwithstanding the linked articles)
My bad. I had my broad brush out when I wrote that. Of course I don’t think that all Catholics are like that (and I hope they’ll return the favour and acknowledge that all atheists aren’t like PZ.)
It’s just a shame the that loud ones are so often the nutjobs.
I would say that there actually isn’t a huge amout of difference. I *am * disrespecting a Hindu’s beliefs by eating beef; specifically, i’m putting my desire to comply with their beliefs as much as possible lower than my desire to have a tasty burger. If a Hindu were to be annoyed at my desecration of a holy animal - that’s quite fair enough. Arguably there is a difference in that I am not going out of my way to eat beef, whilst the student (i’m assuming he isn’t Catholic) did go out of his way in order to secure a wafer; it would also depend whether the student’s statement that his taking of the wafer was to show a friend how much it meant to Catholics implied intent to offend or not.
Translation: “After reading Diogenes’ post…”
The difference is, if I’m eating a cow, I’m not doing it to deliberatly piss off Hindus. Some Hindus may not like me for doing it, but my eating or not eating beef is entirely independent of their opinion of me.
On the other hand, if I buy a Big Mac and stand outside an ashram saying, “Boy, this cow sure tastes gooooood!” then that’s pretty much equivalent to what this jerk did with the eucharist.
Can I get an Amen or will someone shoot me down? Fightin’ ignorance and all.
I make above my statement based on 34 plus years in the Episcopal Church where the Communion service itself is referred to as the Eucharist. I have never heard anyone refer to the host, itself, as the Eucharist. I notice all the prominent board Catholics participating in this thread following suit. BTW, the online Catholic Encyclopedias I have consulted are too flowery and not straightforward enough to definitively answer the question.
I did a search on the OP’s posts. I can’t find anything to suggest a history of Catholic-bashing. Are you sure you’re not mixing her up with someone else?
No, I looked it up myself. I didn’t see his post until after I posted mine.
This guy’s motivation has not been established. How do you know he did it to piss off Catholics?
So if the guy had a reason for doing it other than pissing off Catholics, would he cease to be a jerk?
Technically, it’s a fucking Jesus Christ cracker.
Better yet, buy a cow from a local Hindu establishment (say, one of the Hare Krishna herds outside of Chapel Hill) under the understanding that you’re going to be starting your own Hindu-style herd. Then slaughter it and eat it, documenting the whole thing. If you can figure out a way to make it extra-sacrilegious (maybe you can sing the Hare Krisna song while you slaughter the cow), all the better.
It’s a dishonest act, intending to hurt somebody. COmpletely jerkish. Not death-threat worthy, but completely jerkish.
Some folks think Jesus was black.
Daniel
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You are correct, sir. As if you’re not a hindu, and you happen to eat Beef, that’s your choice. Some may try to sway your opinions on eating beef, but in the long run, you’re not a Hindu, and thusly you’ve got your own codes to live by. So it’s not as bothersome, just… try to live a good life in your own moral code.
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Yeah. In the 2nd example, You’re being a Jerk . But again, in my interpretation of Hinduism, again- you’re not a Hindu, and thus not really subject to the same rules and such. Karma, man, I’m sure whatever moral code said person has should warn them about being a jerk. I don’t really think I’d be as offended if you do it as the Catholics would be about this stuff, I think it’s a wee bit more important to them and the sacred rites. For Hindus, yeah, we’d be upset by the behavior, but it’d speak more on you as a person, and that’s just about it. It’s petty stuff vs. the Eucharist issue seems to be (judging by the reactions that this PZ fellow is getting).
Now if you were a Hindu and doing the above things, yeah, that’s most uncool, dudes.
But again- Karma will take care of it. I don’t really see the need to escalate into violence. :shrug: To each their own.
THERE’s a better example.
It would sadden me, mostly because of the documenting.
The Hare Krishna songs though would be amusing slightly.
Can you give me a reasonable alternative explanation?