# students protesting FOR segregation? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628 "2016-10-24T21:31:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/1 "2016-10-24T21:31:42Z")
I’ve seen similar protests before, but [this is perhaps the clearest one to date](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/24/berkeley-protesters-demand-spaces-color-harass-white-students-trying-to-pass.html). Am I missing something here or are these protesters fighting _for_ racial segregation? Is segregation back in style? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/2 "2016-10-24T21:40:00Z")
You lose points right off the bat for citing Fox News. Kindly provide a non-awful source, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/3 "2016-10-24T21:50:59Z")
…wow. That article was dreadful. Did the author of that article just watch a youtube video and then “report” what they saw on the video? Oh, just saw where the Fox News article “sourced” their information. Heat St. The anti-SJW, pro-goobergate site. :: shrugs :: ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/4 "2016-10-24T21:53:51Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You lose points right off the bat for citing Fox News. Kindly provide a non-awful source, thanks. If you need a safe space from sources such as Fox News, maybe this isn’t the thread for you. I’m sure there’ll be a “safe source only” thread along shortly to accommodate your needs. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/5 "2016-10-24T21:54:25Z")
\*If \*this is true, then yes, this isn’t healing racial issues one bit. It’s 100% counterproductive. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/6 "2016-10-24T21:57:16Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > If you need a safe space from sources such as Fox News, maybe this isn’t the thread for you. I’m sure there’ll be a “safe source only” thread along shortly to accommodate your needs. You _like_ wallowing in toxic waste? ---
**Author:** ![m30wc0w](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/aca169/32.png) [@m30wc0w](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/m30wc0w)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/7 "2016-10-24T21:57:45Z")
Despite what people might have you think, being surrounded by your in-group and being isolated from the pressure of having to fulfill stereotypes actually could be beneficial to your educational development. > **[Stereotype threat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat)** > > Stereotype threat is a situational predicament in which people are or feel themselves to be at risk of conforming to stereotypes about their social group. It is theorized to be a contributing factor to long-standing racial and gender gaps in academic performance. Since its introduction into the academic literature, stereotype threat has become one of the most widely studied topics in the field of social psychology. > Situational factors that increase stereotype threat can include the difficulty ... Is it nonsensical? Maybe… but more importantly it’s empirically verified. EDIT: Read a bit more of the Wikipedia article. It’s not free of controversy. Nevertheless, the ‘phenomenon’ is of interest. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/8 "2016-10-24T22:00:27Z")
> [@m30wc0w](#): > > Despite what people might have you think, being surrounded by your in-group and being isolated from the pressure of having to fulfill stereotypes actually could be beneficial to your educational development. > > [Stereotype threat - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat) > > Is it nonsensical? Maybe… but more importantly it’s empirically verified. > > EDIT: Read a bit more of the Wikipedia article. It’s not free of controversy. Nevertheless, the ‘phenomenon’ is of interest. Thank you. This is exactly what I wanted to discuss. It sounds like segregation _is_ back in style. Is that the take-away I was supposed to get from your post? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/9 "2016-10-24T22:18:30Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …wow. That article was dreadful. Did the author of that article just watch a youtube video and then “report” what they saw on the video? > > Oh, just saw where the Fox News article “sourced” their information. Heat St. The anti-SJW, pro-goobergate site. :: shrugs :: > [@Velocity](#): > > \*If \*this is true, then yes, this isn’t healing racial issues one bit. It’s 100% counterproductive. “Interesting, \*\*if \*\*true.” -Rich Little. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/10 "2016-10-24T22:21:37Z")
Here is a safe-space-approved source (the Atlantic) discussing the issue a couple of months ago: [The Fine Line Between Safe Space and Segregation](http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/08/finding-the-line-between-safe-space-and-segregation/496289/) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/11 "2016-10-24T22:25:00Z")
Some small (very small!) people may want segregation or something like it, but that doesn’t mean it’s “back in style” or anything like that. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/12 "2016-10-24T22:26:50Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Here is a safe-space-approved source (the Atlantic) discussing the issue a couple of months ago: [The Fine Line Between Safe Space and Segregation](http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/08/finding-the-line-between-safe-space-and-segregation/496289/) It’s funny how the source, regardless of accuracy, is demonized instead of the issue being addressed. Might as well derail the thread if it’s a non liberal approved source. But with regards to the racial segregation, don’t ever expect consistency on these issues. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/13 "2016-10-24T22:32:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Some small (very small!) people may want segregation or something like it, but that doesn’t mean it’s “back in style” or anything like that. I meant small _number of_ people, not small people. Oops. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/14 "2016-10-24T22:49:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I meant small _number of_ people, not small people. Oops. Randy Newman thanks you. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/15 "2016-10-24T22:57:05Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s funny how the source, regardless of accuracy, is demonized instead of the issue being addressed. That’s the problem with establishing yourself as a dishonest and deliberately untrustworthy news source: even when you’re right, people don’t believe you. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/16 "2016-10-24T23:13:07Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Here is a safe-space-approved source (the Atlantic) discussing the issue a couple of months ago: [The Fine Line Between Safe Space and Segregation](http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/08/finding-the-line-between-safe-space-and-segregation/496289/) Thank you for stepping up your game to a Real news cite. We only objected to you stepping onto the field with that cheesy Pop Warner League cite of FOX News. Now that we can see you’re serious, we’re happy to scrimmage. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/17 "2016-10-24T23:24:41Z")
I think some of you are in denial. It is even deeper than individual examples in colleges. The whole thought process against ‘cultural appropriation’ is fundamentally segregationist as well and that idea is currently in vogue among some of the leftist intelligentsia. You can dress it up in fancy language all you want but all it translates to is nothing but exclusionary stereotypes based on the idea that people inherit their sociological status and should ‘own’ anything associated with it from clothing styles to food. The more subtle implication is that you should stick with your own kind, fight the melting pot and view others as distinct groups. Can’t real Progressives ever admit that the [regressive-left](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_left)goes off the rails sometimes and promotes some ideas that should be the antithesis of their stated goals? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/18 "2016-10-24T23:39:12Z")
Irritating self righteous college students are irritating, self-righteous. Film at 11:00. Aren’t they breaking the law blockading the street like that? Or maybe they had a permit. My guess is the cops just figured arresting them would just escalate the situation, but I’d like to know more about the specific incident than I could get from the context free video and the very short story. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/19 "2016-10-24T23:44:47Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > Can’t real Progressives ever admit that the [regressive-left](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_left)goes off the rails sometimes and promotes some ideas that should be the antithesis of their stated goals? This is an example of [Horseshoe Theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory) at work; that the far left and far right end up sounding similar or even almost identical. Both far-right or far-left activists have called for anarchy - or, sometimes, totalitarian regimes. Both far-right and far-left activists have called for isolationism or military non-intervention. Many KKK white supremacists and Black Panthers call for racial segregation. Many religious conservatives and feminists both attack pornography; albeit for different reasons. And some religious conservatives and feminists both promote the view that women are weak, vulnerable, and easily preyed on by big, bad, predatory men. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628/20 "2016-10-24T23:53:34Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Irritating self righteous college students are irritating, self-righteous. Film at 11:00. > > Aren’t they breaking the law blockading the street like that? Or maybe they had a permit. My guess is the cops just figured arresting them would just escalate the situation, but I’d like to know more about the specific incident than I could get from the context free video and the very short story. I don’t think it’s a public street. The story called it Sather Gate. Still, I doubt anyone issued them a permit to block the gate (“time, place and manner” restrictions are still valid). Personally, I’m far less concerned with them blocking traffic than the shoving and bullying of students of the perceived-to-be-“wrong” race. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-protesting-for-segregation/769628.md?page=2)