# Students with ADD getting double time and private rooms on exams **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 29, 2007, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889 "2007-09-29T02:07:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/81 "2007-10-01T20:21:09Z")
[QUOTE=Dangerosa] We aren’t doing any favors to make accommodations for people and then have them unable to perform to standards in their jobs. But that’s what we are setting them up for. [/QUOTE] Again, this question is coming because I don’t know as much about neuropsychology as I probably should… Is this a widespread professional view, that these accommodations lead to incompetence and placement in jobs that one cannot hold? For which disabilities is this a particularly problem for–for ADD/ADHD? Dyslexia? Vision Problems? Deafness? Dysgraphia? Other disabilities? Is this an active conversation going on in educational/psychological circles? Which disabilities have you the most concerned about when it comes to “setting people up” for failure? Are schools and school system that give required accommodations to disabled kids making a mistake, according to credible (if unheeded) experts? We invest a significant amount of public dollars into IEPs and special ed and other accommodations. It seems to me that if there is a valid professional opinion and solid research showing that these accommodations primarily set people up for job failure, then those voices should be heard in the policy arena. What’s the current status of the conversation? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/82 "2007-10-01T20:21:15Z")
[QUOTE=Dangerosa] The job requirement is that you can close the books in three days. The employer needs to make reasonable accommodation (and a walled office may or may not be reasonable for her), but if the requirement is you close the books in three days accurately, you need to be able to do that. You can always try a lawsuit, but you aren’t getting anywhere with it in this case. [/quote] Perhaps, it would depend on the circumstances. In the course of discovery it might come out that another new hire was given 5 days for a similar task. ---
**Author:** ![foresam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3bc359/32.png) [@foresam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foresam)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/83 "2007-10-01T20:25:59Z")
The best solution to this ADD dilemna is to cure the ADD. ADD is caused by mercury in vaccines and is quickly cured by chelation. Once cured, nobody will have to worry about special accommodations. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/84 "2007-10-01T20:30:28Z")
[QUOTE=RedSwinglineOne] Or giving an advantage to people with less than average abilities… Depends on your point of reference. [/QUOTE] I don’t see the point of reference. What’s wrong with reducing a disadvantage? It doesn’t harm me. That’s like the HG making the slowest people move faster, not the fastest people slower. I think there are some perfectly legit objections and questions in this thread, but other people just sound resentful that somebody with ADD might have gotten a better SAT score than they did. [QUOTE=foresam] The best solution to this ADD dilemna is to cure the ADD. ADD is caused by mercury in vaccines and is quickly cured by chelation. Once cured, nobody will have to worry about special accommodations. [/QUOTE] You’re wrong, it’s caused by excess thetans in our bodies. You don’t understand ADD like I do. ---
**Author:** ![foresam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3bc359/32.png) [@foresam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foresam)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/85 "2007-10-01T20:40:37Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] I don’t see the point of reference. What’s wrong with reducing a disadvantage? It doesn’t harm me. That’s like the HG making the slowest people move faster, not the fastest people slower. I think there are some perfectly legit objections and questions in this thread, but other people just sound resentful that somebody with ADD might have gotten a better SAT score than they did. You’re wrong, it’s caused by excess thetans in our bodies. You don’t understand ADD like I do. [/QUOTE] If that’s true, we should be able exorcise them. ---
**Author:** ![Aangelica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Aangelica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aangelica)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/86 "2007-10-01T21:08:40Z")
[QUOTE=foresam] If that’s true, we should be able exorcise them. [/QUOTE] Great googlymoogly! Not only an irrational, illogical anti-vax crusader, but a Scientologist as well! What are your feelings on evolution and creationism, sir? Wanna go for the trifecta? How about Flat Earth? Circumcision? Think the moon landing was faked in a sound stage in Cali? Come on, you can tell us! ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/87 "2007-10-01T21:23:17Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Perhaps, it would depend on the circumstances. In the course of discovery it might come out that another new hire was given 5 days for a similar task. [/QUOTE] Books close in a number of days. They close in that number of days if the primary account has mono and ends up in the hospital - just means someone else works eighteen hour days. New accountants aren’t getting extra days - they just work longer hours while they get the hang of it. Accounting is time sensitive - the IRS and the SEC don’t extend their deadlines because you are new or because you have ADD. Nor are company executives willing to take that as an excuse when getting their final numbers. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/88 "2007-10-01T21:26:26Z")
[QUOTE=Dangerosa] Books close in a number of days. They close in that number of days if the primary account has mono and ends up in the hospital - just means someone else works eighteen hour days. New accountants aren’t getting extra days - they just work longer hours while they get the hang of it. [/quote] It’s interesting to learn that the standards in your company are never relaxed for anyone. ---
**Author:** ![foresam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3bc359/32.png) [@foresam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foresam)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/89 "2007-10-01T21:26:32Z")
[QUOTE=Aangelica] Great googlymoogly! Not only an irrational, illogical anti-vax crusader, but a Scientologist as well! What are your feelings on evolution and creationism, sir? Wanna go for the trifecta? How about Flat Earth? Circumcision? Think the moon landing was faked in a sound stage in Cali? Come on, you can tell us! [/QUOTE] If you look closely, you’ll see that Marley brought up scientology. I hit one trifecta yesterday but it didn’t pay much. I’m offering a solution to the problems caused by ADD. It’s not productive to start the name calling, especially when you don’t have anything constructive to add. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/90 "2007-10-01T22:07:24Z")
[QUOTE=foresam] I’m offering a solution to the problems caused by ADD. [/QUOTE] In that case, I’d like to ask you for a four-letter word. It starts with a C. I’ll let you guess the other three letters. ---
**Author:** ![foresam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3bc359/32.png) [@foresam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foresam)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/91 "2007-10-01T22:11:35Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] In that case, I’d like to ask you for a four-letter word. It starts with a C. I’ll let you guess the other three letters. [/QUOTE] Is it colt? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/92 "2007-10-01T23:14:19Z")
No. It rhymes with “bite.” ---
**Author:** ![foresam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3bc359/32.png) [@foresam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foresam)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/93 "2007-10-01T23:52:16Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] No. It rhymes with “bite.” [/QUOTE] Oh, you want a cite! Well, here’s a peer reviewed paper about treating ADD with stuff like Concerta versus curing it woth ALA. > **[What Is Psychiatry Doing To Children?](http://hatingautism.blogspot.com/2007/01/what-is-psychiatry-doing-to-children.html)** > > Let's look at three ways to deal with Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD). First is Adderall. "Side effects of Adderall may include: Depressi... ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2007, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/94 "2007-10-01T23:56:30Z")
[QUOTE=foresam] Oh, you want a cite! Well, here’s a peer reviewed paper about treating ADD with stuff like Concerta versus curing it woth ALA. > **[What Is Psychiatry Doing To Children?](http://hatingautism.blogspot.com/2007/01/what-is-psychiatry-doing-to-children.html)** > > Let's look at three ways to deal with Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD). First is Adderall. "Side effects of Adderall may include: Depressi... [/QUOTE] Where’s the peer-reviewed paper? I’m seeing a blog post, and it’s a blog post that doesn’t mention any scientific data. It just says “the side effects of two ADD medications are serious, and my kid is getting better with ALA.” “Hating autism” is a cute name, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2007, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/95 "2007-10-02T00:00:09Z")
**foresam** , you’re fast becoming tiresome. Stop hijacking this thread, and either stop being a one-trick pony or find a new place to post. ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2007, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/96 "2007-10-02T01:41:33Z")
So. Exactly how widespread is the problem of letting aspiring accountants spend extra time on their SATs and then advancing on to a career where they fuck up everyone’s IRS deadlines? Are we talking about one LD-diagnosed nitwit who should never had been hired, Dangerosa, or a documented problem of accommodations setting people up for failure? This isn’t a small issue, in my mind… how many millions of dollars do we here in the states spend on accommodating disabilities in the public schools and elsewhere? You’re telling people in this thread that disability accommodation specifically leads to future job failure, and I still can’t figure out if you’re describing a well-documented problem or merely venting over a personal anecdote. Maybe I need some chelation. I sure am tired of spelling accommodation–I think in the course of three entries I’ve spelled it every way possible and backspaced 87 times. ---
**Author:** ![foresam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3bc359/32.png) [@foresam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foresam)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2007, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/97 "2007-10-02T02:08:39Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] **foresam** , you’re fast becoming tiresome. Stop hijacking this thread, and either stop being a one-trick pony or find a new place to post. [/QUOTE] Hey Mod, I thought we were looking for solutions here. I offered one. Do you want to spend billions of your tax dollars on ridiculous junk or solve the damn problem? By the way, I am an expert on this stuff, the parents who reviewed my paper are also experts. That makes it peer reviewed. If you don’t like it, keep throwing my tax dollars and yours down the toilet. WTF do I care. ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2007, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/98 "2007-10-02T02:27:12Z")
[QUOTE=foresam] By the way, I am an expert on this stuff, the parents who reviewed my paper are also experts. That makes it peer reviewed. [/QUOTE] Peer review has a specific meaning when referring to scientific research. It is not what you just described. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2007, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/99 "2007-10-02T02:38:25Z")
[QUOTE=foresam] By the way, I am an expert on this stuff, the parents who reviewed my paper are also experts. [/QUOTE] Yeah, and I’m a Pundit. Just ask the Dopers who’ve been reading my posts all these years. \* Hey, everyone here who thinks I’m a Pundit, raise your hand! \* See? My credentials are _impeccable_. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2007, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889/100 "2007-10-02T02:42:27Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Would you get rid of the MCAT and LSAT? [/QUOTE] If there’s any better system, I’d ditch them in a heartbeat. I didn’t go to grad school, so I didn’t take tests to get the job I have, but I think standardized tests only measure your ability to do take standardized tests. (It’s worth noting, however, that the OP specifically discussed the SAT, which is a generalized test for everybody and thus, in my view, particularly useless in predicting anybody’s career success. I don’t think anyone specified a more career-oriented test before **Chief Pedant**.) > [@Dangerosa](#): > > Absolutely. I wouldn’t want to hire an accountant who needed twice as long to complete work - most accounting is done under a time crunch and even good competent efficient accountants work 12-18 hour days over tax season or close or during audit (whatever type of accounting they do). I wouldn’t want someone who worked at half speed either - few people would, and thus you’d have an unsuccessful accountant, ADD or no. But I don’t make the connection between extra test time and extra work time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/students-with-add-getting-double-time-and-private-rooms-on-exams/420889.md?page=6)