# Studying Firearm Related Violence **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 4, 2014, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/studying-firearm-related-violence/689994 "2014-06-04T04:48:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 50
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/studying-firearm-related-violence/689994/50 "2014-06-06T16:31:26Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Is it fair to say that conversely you believe that DGUs should not be treated as zero, and that they do in fact occur? Yeah, sure. > [@Bone](#): > > In your hypothetical, if a mugger would only take a person’s wallet and not otherwise harm them, is it a DGU if a person shoots that mugger and the mugger dies? This is assuming perfect knowledge for the sake of sussing out definitions, in reality you’d never be able to know this. Sure, it’s a DGU. It’s a DGU even if the weapon isn’t fired. But if we _know_ that a life wasn’t saved, merely the contents of a wallet, then what do we do with that? How do we compare that against, say, an accidental gun death? I’m not saying that these sorts of scenarios _aren’t_ DGUs, I’m saying that DGUs don’t really mean anything. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/studying-firearm-related-violence/689994)._