# Stuff in your otherwise favorite TV shows that bugs you **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2004, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565 "2004-07-30T05:49:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/101 "2004-08-02T21:54:12Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > It’s been mentioned around here that they tried a French accent but it sounded like an impression of Peter Sellers as Jacques Clouseau. And the problem with that is… 😃 “Does your Klingon bite?” “No.” “He bit me!” “That’s not my Klingon.” ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/102 "2004-08-02T23:09:47Z")
I sure like those tall, snow-covered mountains near Vancouver while the city is supposed to depict New York. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/103 "2004-08-03T00:22:07Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > … and their first choice of actors was Genevieve Bujold, w You’re thinking _Voyager_, dude. ^:)^ ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/104 "2004-08-05T03:15:01Z")
I still cringe when I recall a time, years ago on **Chicago Hope** , when they actually named a recurring character “Lisa Catera” because Chevy (?) was trying to get people to…lease a Catera. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/105 "2004-08-05T03:49:58Z")
It drives me crazy that I hate Angel sooooooo much on BtVS that I can barely get through an early season episode, but I’ll turn on AtS and drool over the hot things that Angel does. I don’t understand why Angel suddenly gets stupid when he’s in Sunnydale and Buffy turns into a raving bitch (moreso I guess) when she’s in Los Angeles. It’s the same writers on both shows for the most part, the same show runner, the same Head Honcho, so what the hell happens? > [@](#): > > Especially the current episode being shown this week. Monk and Stottlemeyer visit the suspect’s home at the end of the show, and it is so obviously Beverly Hills. Nowhere in the Bay Area has old homes and big wide lawns on a street lined with palm trees like that. Worse, it’s probably Pasadena. Cheaper to shoot in Pasadena. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/106 "2004-08-05T04:32:18Z")
Easy…Angel and Buffy have an insanely disfunctional relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/107 "2004-08-05T13:23:40Z")
You do realize that _Angel_ and \*BTVS[/] were produced by different networks? There exists the possibility of a certain amount of non-professional spite and distancing between the two series concepts, post-split… ---
**Author:** ![Reloy3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c68b51/32.png) [@Reloy3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reloy3)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/108 "2004-08-05T13:35:57Z")
I posted this in another thread somewhere, but . . . In Star Trek - why don’t they have cameras inside the ship? Using the screens on the bridge they can see into other ships and into space, but not even their own hallways? Whenever the computer announces “intruder alert”, the reaction is to send security out into the hallways to get picked off one by one like in some bad horror flick. I can’t imagine why some security chief hasn’t put them in. The Enterprise(s), DS9 or Voyager doesn’t have a security feature used by 20 & 21st Century Wal-marts? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/109 "2004-08-05T14:16:24Z")
> [@Reloy3](#): > > I posted this in another thread somewhere, but . . . > In Star Trek - why don’t they have cameras inside the ship? Using the screens on the bridge they can see into other ships and into space, but not even their own hallways? Whenever the computer announces “intruder alert”, the reaction is to send security out into the hallways to get picked off one by one like in some bad horror flick. I can’t imagine why some security chief hasn’t put them in. Privacy issues? ---
**Author:** ![Reloy3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c68b51/32.png) [@Reloy3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reloy3)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/110 "2004-08-05T15:18:36Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > Privacy issues? In the hallways and public section? I wouldn’t suggest putting it in their quarters, or even them being on all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/111 "2004-08-05T15:40:26Z")
> [@Reloy3](#): > > In the hallways and public section? I wouldn’t suggest putting it in their quarters, or even them being on all the time. Even so, a camera system would be ripe for abuse. The near-utopia which is Star Trek and “Big Brother” do not mix. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/112 "2004-08-05T15:50:16Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > Even so, a camera system would be ripe for abuse. The near-utopia which is Star Trek and “Big Brother” do not mix. Heh. “Five Starfleet Captains … picked to live on an isolated colony world. Can they set aside their different command styles? Set Phasers to Fun!” KIRK : “I … just feel… that the others… don’t respect my… position. It’s as if… they find my methods… antiquated.” ARCHER : “Archer does need this. Archer doesn’t need anybody.” JANEWAY : “It seems there are ants in the kitchen… but are we morally correct in exterminating them? Could this be a violation of the prime directive?” SISKO : “I will! not! tolerate! ants on MY station!” PICARD : “I wonder if the Borg would take me back…” ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/113 "2004-08-05T15:51:08Z")
There apparently is a security camera system in engineering, as seen during the TNG episode “The Drum-Head” when it recorded an explosion in the dilithium chamber. (And it was actually a realistic, stationary camera shot—not repurposed, edited footage from a previous episode.) Likewise, in “The First Duty” Wesley’s shuttle has a flight recorder that captures the activity inside the cockpit. I seem to remember other instances on TNG where surveillance footage came into play. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/114 "2004-08-05T16:30:12Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > There apparently is a security camera system in engineering, as seen during the TNG episode “The Drum-Head” when it recorded an explosion in the dilithium chamber. (And it was actually a realistic, stationary camera shot—not repurposed, edited footage from a previous episode.) > > Likewise, in “The First Duty” Wesley’s shuttle has a flight recorder that captures the activity inside the cockpit. I seem to remember other instances on TNG where surveillance footage came into play. Now these are prime examples of having certain things only when the script calls for 'em, then forgotten about until the next time the script calls for 'em. Entirely different situtation. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/115 "2004-08-05T16:40:54Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > You do realize that _Angel_ and \*BTVS[/] were produced by different networks? There exists the possibility of a certain amount of non-professional spite and distancing between the two series concepts, post-split… And _you_ do realize that for two seasons they were on the same network and the same night with much the same writing staff, right? And Angel was just as boneheaded in S4 and S5 of BtVS when he came to Sunnydale, and Buffy was a big a bitch in S1 of Angel. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/116 "2004-08-05T16:49:11Z")
Just about any show… Characters in a noisy nightclub/concert/party/etc. can carry on a conversation in normal tones and can hear someone call to them from across the room. In reality they would have to be yelling into each other’s ears and _still_ may not be able to understand. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/117 "2004-08-05T17:10:26Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > You do realize that _Angel_ and _BTVS_ were produced by different networks? There exists the possibility of a certain amount of non-professional spite and distancing between the two series concepts, post-split… Chiming in here… neither were ever produced by any _network_. The shows were produced by 20th century fox studios and the first broadcast rights, (possibly among other rights,) were sold to the WB network except for the last two seasons of Buffy, which were sold to UPN. Decisions about how characters are portrayed would not likely (AFAIK) be made at the network level and passed down to the studio. There’s been some speculation that a ‘crossover barrier’ was agreed on by the networks to keep the plotlines of the two shows from becoming too intertwined while they were on different networks… until Willow showed up in angel season 4, ‘Orpheus.’ I’m not sure if this has ever been confirmed, or if the sudden absence of crossovers might have originated at the studio level. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/118 "2004-08-05T20:11:31Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > Even so, a camera system would be ripe for abuse. The near-utopia which is Star Trek and “Big Brother” do not mix. Yeah. It’s not like you can just say “Computer, where is \” and get the answer “\ is on the can”. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/119 "2004-08-05T20:52:27Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > Even so, a camera system would be ripe for abuse. The near-utopia which is Star Trek and “Big Brother” do not mix. Uhmm, what about that episode in which Barclay created holodeck images of the Starfleet crew, complete with Troi as "the Goddess of Emotion (among other things i’ll bet!) ? That smacks me as some kind of voyeuristic abuse. And speaking of the holodeck, it boggled my mind that they ever let anyone ever use it. Considering the amount of times the mere use of it led to some disaster that threatened the entire ship! Yet again, and again, entire episodes were centered around something going horribly awry inside it. It should have been disabled, and converted into extra storage space after season one. (As an added bonus, we might have been spared the very existence of the obnoxious doctor from Voyager.) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565/120 "2004-08-05T21:13:10Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Yeah. It’s not like you can just say “Computer, where is \” and get the answer “\ is on the can”. Because there are no cans. 😃 IIRC, the computer keeps track of everyone by their communicator badges. \ wouldn’t necessarily be in the same place as the badge. > [@Art Vandelay](#): > > Uhmm, what about that episode in which Barclay created holodeck images of the Starfleet crew, complete with Troi as "the Goddess of Emotion (among other things i’ll bet!) ? That smacks me as some kind of voyeuristic abuse. Right. Think of what superintelligent Barclay could have done had there been security cameras everywhere! 😃 again. > [@](#): > > _And speaking of the holodeck, it boggled my mind that they ever let anyone ever use it. Considering the amount of times the mere use of it led to some disaster that threatened the entire ship! Yet again, and again, entire episodes were centered around something going horribly awry inside it. It should have been disabled, and converted into extra storage space after season one._ The holodeck serves a useful function, one of entertainment. Six years without it would have resulted in the crew going stir crazy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stuff-in-your-otherwise-favorite-tv-shows-that-bugs-you/257565.md?page=7)