# Stupid anti-war protesters. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2003, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115 "2003-03-21T15:33:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/61 "2003-03-24T07:56:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Weirddave \* > Put it another way, if this is part of their Super-Secret? plan, their hidden blueprint for World-Domination?, why are they printing it in the Washington Post? Who said anything about super-secret? It’s simply been kept low-key, so mindless morons like yourself won’t notice it while you’re busy watching the pretty fireballs lighting up Bagdad. ---
**Author:** ![auliya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/90db22/32.png) [@auliya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/auliya)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/62 "2003-03-24T12:00:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by msmith537 \* > \*\*Just because you have the right to free speech does not mean the rest of us care about what you have to say. Now that’s great that you think your being active and all. I know that toking up a joint and standing around waving signs and chanting slogans is really hard and useful work. But do you really think that Bush or any of his cabinet will view you as anything but a fringe element of society representing a small minority of people? > > I say go ahead and grab your Berkinstocks, a clever placard, and your bongos. No one’s listening to you. \*\* Well, no one would waste their breathe on a cretin like you. You obviously have a problem comprehending what you see on the TV screen in front of you, or do you only watch censored propagandised media? The HUGE numbers who have protested against this war over the past weeks are from a wide cross section of the populations of many countries, if you choose to ignore this it does nothing more than reinforce the rest of the worlds opinion of the narrow minded bigotted nature of Americans like you. ---
**Author:** ![japatlgt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df705f/32.png) [@japatlgt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/japatlgt)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/63 "2003-03-24T12:17:01Z")
I wonder how many psychos thought “Demonstration? Now there’s a good idea. I’ll wear face paint. It’ll be fun!” ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/64 "2003-03-24T13:26:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blown & Injected \* > \*\*Why are those that are opposed to the US violence not seemingly opposed to the death created by Saddam? > > \*\* We always damn well have been - right back to the eighties when the West was arming him and pointing him at Iran. WTF were you doing then? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/65 "2003-03-24T15:40:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by auliya \* > Well, no one would waste their breathe on a cretin like you. You obviously have a problem comprehending what you see on the TV screen in front of you, or do you only watch censored propagandised media? > The HUGE numbers who have protested against this war over the past weeks are from a wide cross section of the populations of many countries, if you choose to ignore this it does nothing more than reinforce the rest of the worlds opinion of the narrow minded bigotted nature of Americans like you. \*\* Yeah well you can go eat my ass, fuckhead. Every weekend I have to wade through a sea of these morons in NYC. Your right it’s a cross section. it’s a cross section of naive idealists, bored students, potheads, ex-hippies, conspiracy nuts, bleeding heart liberals, and assorted other people with very little else to do with their time. Not to mention, shitbag, that you are a fucking hypocrite. I guess it’s ok to bash Americans as ignorant bigots because that’s the “cool” thing to do. You wouldn’t have had a problem if I said “go put on your suit and tie and go do your evil rich corporate stuff”, right? Oh and by the way, people here in American are not “pro-war”. We are not “for the war in Iraq”. We do not receive a thrill from seeing armored vehicles racing across the desert. We are anti-having a VX gas canister go off in Times Square. Next time you people protest, why don’t you continue down from Washington Square to the World Trade Center site? That is what this war is about. Preventing those kinds of attacks. Not cheap oil. Not freeing the Iraqi people. What pisses me off about the protesters is not their message. It’s their method. First of all, they aren’t anti-war. They are anti-Bush. If Bush announced the sun was going to come up in the East tomorrow they would stage a rally to criticize his pro-Sun in East policy. They are just so smug in their self-righteousness. And another thought for that tiny little head of yours. I actually know someone who has been killed in Iraq already. I didn’t know him that well and how I knew him wasn’t important. But I can see first-hand the effect the war is having on his friends and family. So next time you want to paint all Americans as war-mongering ignorant bigots who get all their info from TV, kindly go fuck yourself. But thanks for your well thought out paragraph on why “no one would waste their breathe on a cretin like [me]”. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/66 "2003-03-24T15:43:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tagos \* > We always damn well have been - right back to the eighties when the West was arming him and pointing him at Iran. WTF were you doing then? \*\* Wondering when the Iranians would release their American hostages. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/67 "2003-03-24T16:32:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\*Who said anything about super-secret? It’s simply been kept low-key, so mindless morons like yourself won’t notice it while you’re busy watching the pretty fireballs lighting up Bagdad. \*\* I think the mindless moron is the one who takes a standard political position paper issued by Republicans to a Democratic administration and make it out to be some type of master plan. I am hardly entranced by “fireballs lighting up Bagdad”, I don’t even watch TV news, I tend to look for more solid, detailed information and anylisis from both sides of the issue. It’s a little technique I learned while I was getting degrees in Military History and Political Science. What have you got, besides puppet strings dangling from the fingers of those idiots assuring you that “it’s all a big, bad conspiracy, no need to think, just believe as we tell you, little rjung”. ---
**Author:** ![Blown\_Injected](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@Blown\_Injected](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blown_Injected)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/68 "2003-03-24T17:20:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tagos \* > \*\*We always damn well have been - right back to the eighties when the West was arming him and pointing him at Iran. WTF were you doing then? \*\* If you “damn well have been” then why do I not hear a plan to do something about it? “WTF [was I] doing then?” I was hoping they could help inflict some damage on our most pressing enemy - WAG, you must have missed the boat back then too! I do not believe that the enemy of my enemy is necessarily my friend. But it does not preclude me from accepting help from my enemies enemy. Just like I believe that we helped the people of Afghanistan establish a better government - and the government and people will probably hate us anyway. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/69 "2003-03-24T20:37:37Z")
**Sigh** …you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make **Weirdddave** think. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/70 "2003-03-24T21:13:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\ ***Sigh** > > …you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make **Weirdddave** think. \*\* Hmm. One of us is parroting the empty rhetoric of the appeasement crowd and the other is analyizing the situation and forming his own opinions. If regurgitaing what you’ve been told is what passes for “thinking” in your world, Ii’ll take a pass, thanks all the same. I find informed decisions are much better in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/71 "2003-03-24T22:40:40Z")
> [@](#): > > **msmith537:** Wondering when the Iranians would release their American hostages. After Reagan agreed to supply arms to them _too_, in exchange? That worked out well. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/72 "2003-03-24T22:57:06Z")
Well, IMHO, “stupid” protestors are right here. See, the SF Bay area is mostly anti-war- no surprise, they have always heard “a different drummer”. So, they are throwing rocks, breaking windows, and specifically & deliberately blocking traffic & businesses. Why HERE for gods sake? All they are doing is pissing off the undecided, and making some who are somewhat anti-war (like me), want to support the Administration even more. Look, dudes- I have been antiwar since this whole thing started. But- you’re losing me- every day I am going more & more to the “war” side- and I don’t want to. But since to be “anti-war” is to be on the same side as these loser violent dirtballs, I’m starting to re-think my opposition. rjung- since you claim to be able to find this in ten seconds by a search- how’s about a link? Not a link that says “yes, america will need more oil”, that’s no hard thing to figure out. No, what I want is a link that has Cheney quoted as “the best way to do this is to use the terrorism as a pretext”. You know we really don’t need Irag now that we have Kuwait in our pocket. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/73 "2003-03-25T00:49:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrDeth \* > Look, dudes- I have been antiwar since this whole thing started. But- you’re losing me- every day I am going more & more to the “war” side- and I don’t want to. But since to be “anti-war” is to be on the same side as these loser violent dirtballs, I’m starting to re-think my opposition. > \*\* I’m with you. Every time I see a post like “I hope the war goes badly so Bush won’t get reelected” I just get more angry with the peacenoids. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/74 "2003-03-25T01:03:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\ ***sigh** Okay, once more… > > 1. Given current rates of petroleum consumption, within 30 years the United States will need to import over two-thirds of its oil… > \*\* Is this from the same ‘We’ll be out of oil by the late 80’s’ source? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/75 "2003-03-25T01:10:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrDeth \* > rjung- since you claim to be able to find this in ten seconds by a search- how’s about a link? Straight from the White House: [National Energy Policy.](http://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/) > [@](#): > > By 2020, Gulf oil producers are projected to supply between 54 and 67 percent of the world’s oil. Thus, the global economy will almost certainly continue to depend on the supply of oil from Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) members, particularly in the Gulf. This region will remain vital to U.S. interests. … By any estimation, Middle East oil producers will remain central to world oil security. **The Gulf will be a primary focus of U.S. international energy policy, but our engagement will be global, spotlighting existing and emerging regions** that will have a major impact on the global energy balance. Iraq is, quite simply, the biggest “emerging region” that American petroleum companies and American power don’t already have influence over. Couple this with the PNAC’s push for a war with Iraq, and the collusion of interests is _amazingly_ convenient. ---
**Author:** ![Wabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wabbit)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/76 "2003-03-25T01:55:01Z")
Personally, once the war has started I’m thinking protesting isn’t going to do much (in a practical sense anyway). Like any gigantic government undertaking, this war is like a big machine: once it gets going it takes a lot to derail it. I seriously doubt the anti-war protestors are going to be able to muster the political power necessary to stop it. Hell, Bush couldn’t even stop it at this point, even if he wanted to. The war has got to run its course, unfortunately, and right now I’m more concerned with getting it over with as quickly and painlessly (for both sides) as possible and rebuilding Iraq into a stable state in the aftermath. And let me weigh in again with how moronic I find our President and his gaggle of knuckleheaded stooges. Nice job on illustrating exactly how **not** go about starting a war in the post-Cold War Era, you idiotic excuse for a ‘leader’. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/77 "2003-03-25T02:00:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > Iraq is, quite simply, the biggest “emerging region” that American petroleum companies and American power don’t already have influence over. Couple this with the PNAC’s push for a war with Iraq, and the collusion of interests is _amazingly_ convenient. \*\* So you are willing to believe in the most tenuos evidence when it involves Bush and oil but not Sadaam and WMD? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/78 "2003-03-25T03:10:13Z")
BWAHAHAHAHA! Rjung, you’re priceless! Please, buddy, keep an eye out, I’d hate it if the black helicopters got you, you’re so damn amusing! Your “proof” is a political preddure paper aimed at Bill Clinton coupled with a statement from the White House that says: A: There’s lots of oil in the Middle East B: The world needs oil C: Thus the Middle East will remain a crutial component of America’s foreign policy. Your quote, BTW, comes from two seperate paragraphs in chapter 8 of the report and ignores whole pages of that same chapter which call for sanctions, investment and increased international co-operation coupled with further development of Western Hemesphire energy sources to _reduce_ our dependence on oil from the Middle East. You’re a real piece of work, you know that? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/79 "2003-03-25T03:13:50Z")
That should be “Political pressure paper” :rolleyes: @ myself. ---
**Author:** ![Gumbercules](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gumbercules](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gumbercules)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115/80 "2003-03-25T03:43:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrDeth \* > \*\*Well, IMHO, “stupid” protestors are right here. See, the SF Bay area is mostly anti-war- no surprise, they have always heard “a different drummer”. > > So, they are throwing rocks, breaking windows, and specifically & deliberately blocking traffic & businesses. Why HERE for gods sake? All they are doing is pissing off the undecided, and making some who are somewhat anti-war (like me), want to support the Administration even more. > > \*\* Not only are they pissing people off, they are costing the city about $1 million a day. [link](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kpix/20030324/lo_kpix/6167) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-anti-war-protesters/163115.md?page=5)