# Stupid Chivalrous Morons **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368 "2008-12-02T17:55:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/61 "2008-12-02T23:53:55Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > There are some topics on this board that are considered bad form to talk about. > > Bragging about your boobs is not one of them. I think it depends. Those “hey my boobs are fantastic” threads usually get full of things like “I’m a 40DDD!” and “Oh yeah? I’m a 44G!” Breasts are mostly made of fat. The more fat you have, the bigger your boobs are. Yes, yes there are exceptions to this rule. They are just that, exceptions. (Cue the ladies coming in to tell us that they are 30D and all natural and weigh 99 pounds). For every one woman like that, there are thousands not like that. Yes, there are also women who are quite overweight and don’t get he bonus of big boobs. These are also exceptions to the rule. The boob bragging threads may be popular among many, but they always make me feel kind of bad for those trying to one up each other with their bra sizes. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/62 "2008-12-02T23:57:52Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > Huh. I still don’t get it. Do women actually like this practice? I’d be fucking \*mortified \*if people were standing around so I could walk ahead of them because of my gender. Doesn’t it imply, on some level, that you are not peers? I think it’s a bad idea if it’s a huge crowd of people. Then everyone’s going to get trampled or smushed as in the OP. But if it’s just one or two guys and they pause or say, “Go ahead,” I just sort of nod and say, “Thank you,” before disembarking. ---
**Author:** ![abbeytxs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@abbeytxs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abbeytxs)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/63 "2008-12-02T23:59:25Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Also, regardless of how chivalrous they are, men will stare at your boobs and asses anyway. Some of us just hide it really well. I’m old and in that stage in life where women become invisible. Feel free to openly stare at my boobs and ass, I’ll appreciate the cheap thrill! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![scout1222](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@scout1222](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scout1222)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/64 "2008-12-03T00:15:46Z")
I am clearly not reading the boards as closely as I used to. I never noticed the fact that the OP talked about her boobs all the time. (Of course…I _am_ a woman. I might not be conditioned to remember that sort of thing as much!) ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/65 "2008-12-03T00:50:49Z")
> [@Chez\_Guevara](#): > > Yes, but given a choice of sources for insurance advice, the average male doper requiring same will PM the source with the biggest breasts. Dear Insurance Answer Lady: ``` If a woman is worried about her boobs drooping as she gets older, should she have them insured? Is whole boob really better than term boob? ``` Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/66 "2008-12-03T00:56:41Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > Exactly. And since many women aren’t like you and ppbth, and actually expect this type of courtesy, the most prudent thing to do for a male to do is follow the society standard. They can expect you to jump off a bridge for all I care. You are holding up the elevator for _everyone else_. Polite but weirdly objectifying to one person while holding up the line for every other rider? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/67 "2008-12-03T01:04:02Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > The boob bragging threads may be popular among many… Hell yeah! > [@](#): > > but they always make me feel kind of bad for those trying to one up each other with their bra sizes. D’oh! Honestly, I was about to complain about **pbbth** ’s odd innate desire to mention her boobs at every available opportunity (and occasionally to create an opportunity when one isn’t available)… and then I read the rest of the posts, and started to get angry about all the other people who were doing it. Seriously. My thought process was, like, “I’m sick of hearing about your fucking boobs!” \> “Hey, everyone else is sick of hearing about your boobs!” \> “Um, you guys are kinda mean,” \> “Jesus Christ, people- they’re boobs! Why are you complaining about boobs?!?!” I think the easiest way to sum up is to say: Fuck you, **pbbth**. Except your boobs. Also, I’m not squishing myself against the wall of this elevator to let you out. I’m doing it because you farted. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/68 "2008-12-03T01:17:35Z")
Personally I’m just here for the boobs. If **pbbth** talks about her boobs all of the time she must love them or hate them. I have’t read her post on them. If she loves them, more power to ya, girl. I’d be lying to say I didn’t love boobs. If she hates them, I’d ask why. If I were a woman I’d want big boobs. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Bam\_Boo\_Gut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8c91f0/32.png) [@Bam\_Boo\_Gut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bam_Boo_Gut)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/69 "2008-12-03T01:26:13Z")
Say: “After you, after you, please, after you”, you make a little gesture with your hand and smile encouragingly and they all file off. What they are doing - however well intentioned - is impractical so if that’s the practice where you live I don’t envy you. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/70 "2008-12-03T02:21:00Z")
::ducks into thread:: **( . ) ( . )** ::runs out of thread:: ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/71 "2008-12-03T02:33:34Z")
A guy I know makes up fake “official” notices for any activities that annoy him and then places them about the workplace. He mentioned this in relation to people standing around talking in a narrow corridor. He made up signs titled “How To Walk” which he placed at both ends of the corridor. The poster points out that some walkways are just a way to get from A to B and are not destinations, so don’t ever stop there. Apparently the signs have stayed up. He has done lots of them - “How To Dry Your Hands With a Paper Towel” (which is really about how to put the paper towel in the bin), in meeting rooms he has put up “How To Turn Off Your Phone” and others I can’t recall. So maybe a “How To Ride An Elevator” notice would be in order. They do need cute graphics to look official though. ---
**Author:** ![sunstone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunstone/32/3372_2.png) [@sunstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sunstone)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/72 "2008-12-03T03:16:44Z")
I think that a lot of folks have missed the point of the OP. Elevator manners, as I read it. And I think if the OP wants to like her boobs, that’s fine. I rather like that in the face of all of the other non-boob things that she has to say. After all, the girls are part of her…but only part. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/73 "2008-12-03T03:54:54Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > Works for me! LOL! That’s what she said! Too late? Dang it. **don’t ask** , please encourage your acquaintance to keep making the faux official signs. That is so very, very awesome. ETA: Forgot to address the OP - I’m very much a, “Go if you’re first in line, hold the door if you get there first, but don’t worry too much about me” kind of girl, but I’ll also play along if guys are being chivalrous, because it just makes everything go smoother. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/74 "2008-12-03T04:42:35Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > Dear men on the elevator, > > I was the first one on the elevator. 7 of you hulking, burly men proceeded to get on the elevator after me. As we see the number 1 appear on the floor display above us and the doors open into the lobby, that means GET THE FUCK OFF THE ELEVATOR! That DOES NOT mean stand there and squish up against the wall and force me to squeeze my ample frame between you so that I can get off the elevator first just because I am a girl. I don’t know… I have this mental image of[a tuba playing](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfnQet47WMo&feature=related)as you try to squeeze your ampleness past everyone. ---
**Author:** ![ShermanAter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ShermanAter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShermanAter)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/75 "2008-12-03T05:35:40Z")
> [@sunstone](#): > > I think that a lot of folks have missed the point of the OP. Elevator manners, as I read it. > > And I think if the OP wants to like her boobs, that’s fine. I rather like that in the face of all of the other non-boob things that she has to say. After all, the girls are part of her…but only part. I have to agree with this wholeheartedly. **pbbth** may reference her jugs in a thread or two, but she is also quick witted, humorous, intelligent, and is more of an asset to this board than the constantly negative posters, by far. It is a good thing she made this thread in the pit so all the petty haters can get their shots in. When you point the finger at others you have three pointing back at you. But you knew that. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/76 "2008-12-03T06:49:44Z")
> [@Sapo](#): > > I don’t know, the lazy thing to do would be just walk out and be gone. They are going out of their way to make a path for her. > > BTW, I am the only other person in an elevator with someone else, I would normally stand by the door, holding it and waiting for the other person to leave. I do it for youngsters, women of all ages, elder men and basically for anyone not a male in my age range. This is also a good moment to say “good day” or something to that effect. I think it is basic courtesy. I’m an elder man and I still do this. Its just basic courtesy. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/77 "2008-12-03T08:36:11Z")
I get off the elevator first if I’m near the door, whether women are there or not. It’s empty courtesy when the elevator is full. Just get out so everyone can get on with there day. HOWEVER…if I’m getting on the elevator, I am compelled by reason of my manhood to stand firmly until everyone gets on first. Don’t stand there like a ditzy broad and let the door almost close so you have to stick your arm in and open it back up, get your ass in there. ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/78 "2008-12-03T10:01:14Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > The Miss Manners advice is just plain stupid. Big surprise! > [@VarlosZ](#): > > Isn’t it more polite to quickly and quietly ensure that you’re not a physical hindrance to the people around you? To hold the elevator, all you have to do is stay in the corner where you were and press a button. You are not hindering anyone. > [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](#): > > Are you one of the people who put half of their body (hand, arm, shoulder, little bit of torso) into the doorway and call it ‘holding the door.’ Because that shit is so annoying, especially when there’s a button that does that. > [/SIZE] Heh. That’s a relic from a different era. I do remember those elevators that would cut you in half before stopping and opening again. > [@villa](#): > > If one is in a position where getting off the elevator first makes sense, one should get out and move to the non-lobby/door side of the elevator, and hold the door open while everyone else gets off. Your sense of honor is satisfied, and no one has to squeeze past your butt/chest. That doesn’t make sense anymore. You are either pushing the call button, and possibly messing up the system (if the call button is shared by a bank of elevators) or putting your arm in the way (maybe ineffectually in many modern elevators with several sensors at different heights) > [@abbeytxs](#): > > The way I look at it, some guy is trying to do something nice. In this day and age, trying to be courteous to a stranger is pretty much out of vogue, so I am just going to graciously accept the pathway, or door holding or whatever in the hopes that chivalry (misguided or not) doesn’t completely cease to exist. And we appreciate your effort. We are running out of options to be nice to each other. > [@Monstera\_deliciosa](#): > > Since you cannot win, you might as well err on the side of practicality and, as I said earlier, get the fuck off the elevator first. Thanks, but I think I’d rather err on the side of manners. > [@Jolly\_Roger](#): > > Personally I’m just here for the boobs. If **pbbth** talks about her boobs all of the time she must love them or hate them. I don’t know about the OP, but it is often the case that when someone is constantly saying nice things about something, they are overcompensating. If a girl is always saying hooow much she loooves her bf, she is cheating on him. > [@don\_t\_ask](#): > > A guy I know makes up fake “official” notices for any activities that annoy him and then places them about the workplace… Very funny. He could be making money off it. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/79 "2008-12-03T10:34:18Z")
Originally Posted by Sapo > [@](#): > > BTW, I am the only other person in an elevator with someone else, I would normally stand by the door, holding it and waiting for the other person to leave. I do it for youngsters, women of all ages, elder men and basically for anyone not a male in my age range. This is also a good moment to say “good day” or something to that effect. I think it is basic courtesy. > [@LouisB](#): > > I’m an elder man and I still do this. Its just basic courtesy. When I was about 8-ish yrs old I was on a very full bus with my grandmother, an adult got on the bus and I remained sitting, all of a sudden my Nana “WHISPERED” (though it was more like a hiss really) “I’m so ashamed of you! Where are your manners! Please offer that person your seat!” (note: she wasn’t being mean she just really cared about manners). The lesson she intended to teach me stuck. Just last week I had a “lift etiquette” stand off. I got into a lift with a fully laden supermarket trolley and was promptly joined by a couple with a baby in a pram. When the lift stopped I indicated that they should leave first (my load was more cumbersome and they had a baby), the father promptly gestured “no after you”. I re-gestured “no , after you”. He re-re-gestured. In the end I pulled my trolley right to the back of the lift (with a smile) and they thanked me and left. I left the lift with a smile because there are still people who care about being polite (them!). After reading the OP I’m hoping I didn’t piss them off! ---
**Author:** ![threnodyangelfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@threnodyangelfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threnodyangelfire)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368/80 "2008-12-03T11:02:03Z")
> [@pbbth](#): > > I do live in NYC, so I don’t know how this could be a regional thing, **VarlosZ**. > > As for boob threads, I won’t deny that I talk about my boobs fairly regularly, but I think this is a bit of confirmation bias. [I](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=495242) [have](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=494537) [almost](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=493596) [3,000](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=492935)[posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=493199) [and](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=492736) [over](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=492694) [120](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=492222) [threads](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=491494), [the](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=490422) [large](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=488090) [majority](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=486668) [of](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=486124) [which](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=484592) [don’t mention](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=483863) [my breasts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=483843)at all. I talk about insurance and NYC a lot too, so much so that I have had several dopers PM me for insurance advice or advice about things in NYC, but I bet most of you wouldn’t have remembered where I live or what I do for a living. Yeah. Okay. I actually think you’re a great, funny honest and intelligent poster when you’re not endlessly talking about your boobs. Your spanx post had me laughing for most of a day. But ☹ To me you’re memorable for posts about: Your magnificent rack. How your cat likes to sleep between your boobs. The colour of your nipples. How magnificent your rack is. How you feel like you’ve been rude to someone if you don’t take their phone number and call them back. How big your rack is. How magnificent it is. How hot you are. Same post, different day. Try not to be known (any more!) as “the girl who talks about her boobs all the time” and thanks for the spanx warning! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-chivalrous-morons/475368.md?page=5)