# Stupid freakin' new CD technology... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2005, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446 "2005-06-22T22:04:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/21 "2005-06-23T20:18:56Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > It’s not like mp3 players are illegal or difficult to obtain. Don’t doubt that RIAA has a team of lawyers squirreled away somewhere working on that one… ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/22 "2005-06-23T20:37:17Z")
> [@tremorviolet](#): > > . Get online and discover that the encryption technology has majorly screwed everyone, especially those that wanna load the album onto their iPods. Yep. Here’s my [rant](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=294549) on that subject. Haven’t purchased, (or asked for as a gift) a CD since. ---
**Author:** ![Archergal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Archergal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archergal)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/23 "2005-06-24T01:49:52Z")
Check out what Cory Doctorow as to say about DRM (Digital Rights Management): [http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt](http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt) I was enlightened. Cory rocks. ---
**Author:** ![mza662](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f4b2a3/32.png) [@mza662](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mza662)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/24 "2005-06-24T02:40:49Z")
Just download it and burn it 😛 Then if you like it go and buy the cd. Or send the artist the money, that way they actually get a good amount. Ohh and to Liberal, the good old days are still around, I buy vinyl and am amassing quite a nice collection slowly. The days of vinyl will always be around. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/25 "2005-06-24T02:53:23Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Things used to be so simple. When I was a young’un, we bought discs made of vinyl, with grooves cut into them. We would place these discs inside of machines called “record players”. We would then hear our music. Did the record every skip because the onion you put in your belt bumped into the player? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/26 "2005-06-24T02:59:29Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Did the record every skip because the onion you put in your belt bumped into the player? Yeah! And we LIKED IT! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/27 "2005-06-24T03:23:19Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > And to make matters worse, when it finally plays you’ll realize the foo fighters suck! > > Just kidding. I’ve never heard them. They’re a band founded by ex-Nirvana member, Dave Groh. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/28 "2005-06-24T03:28:38Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Did the record every skip because the onion you put in your belt bumped into the player? You had an onion?! Luxury! We had to make do with an underripe radish and we LIKED it! ---
**Author:** ![wheelie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b4bc9f/32.png) [@wheelie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wheelie)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/29 "2005-06-24T04:30:19Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You had an onion?! Luxury! We had to make do with an underripe radish and we LIKED it! We used to _dream_ of having an underripe radish. Would’ve sounded like an onion to us. All we had was a dried up old mushroom! ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/30 "2005-06-24T07:01:03Z")
> [@Archergal](#): > > Check out what Cory Doctorow as to say about DRM (Digital Rights Management): > > [http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt](http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt) > > I was enlightened. Cory rocks. That was a nice read, kinda long but a very articulately written article that states what I have tried for a long time to say but a lot less clearly. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/31 "2005-06-24T10:26:29Z")
Its behavior like this that made me switch to getting all my mainstream music from places like iTunes. I still go out and buy the cd if the band is relatively unknown and I think that the CD sales might actually help them out, but otherwise I download everything. Sure iTunes is vaguely evil, but it’s better than the record companies that don’t even try to pretend they aren’t evil anymore. Also… > [@wheelie](#): > > We used to _dream_ of having an under riperadish. Would’ve sounded like an onion to us. > All we had was a dried up old mushroom! A dried up old mushroom! You had it good! We only got to look at the neighbors dried up old mushroom every alternate Thursday, and let them beat us around the head and shoulders with a whiffleball bat for the privilege! An onion indeed! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/32 "2005-06-24T10:40:14Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > Yeah! And we LIKED IT! …LIKED IT!.. \ …LIKED IT!.. \ …LIKED IT!..\ …LIKED IT!..\ …LIKED IT!..\ ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/33 "2005-06-24T10:41:01Z")
> [@Go You Big Red Fire Engine](#): > > [Here.](http://ukcdr.org/issues/cd/bad/) > Don’t you people remember the first time this happened? I can’t find any linkage at the moment, but when it first came out everyone was pissed and looking for a way around it. To the rescue comes some teenage boy with the trusty advice; “Hold down shift while inserting the cd!” Well, fuck me; it worked. I’d heard that at the time, but just assumed they’d improved their anti-copying tech since then, and this was my first copy-protected CD. I’m similarly pissed about this; I’m a good little consumer/fan and buy the CDs, etc., and this is how we get treated? ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/34 "2005-06-24T12:34:00Z")
> [@Archergal](#): > > Check out what Cory Doctorow as to say about DRM (Digital Rights Management): > > [http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt](http://craphound.com/msftdrm.txt) > > I was enlightened. Cory rocks. Thanks for that link, it was a long read but very informative and interesting. I hope Microsoft builds it. ---
**Author:** ![Boldface\_Type](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5e925/32.png) [@Boldface\_Type](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boldface_Type)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/35 "2005-06-24T15:23:07Z")
> [@mza662](#): > > Just download it and burn it 😛 Then if you like it go and buy the cd. Or send the artist the money, that way they actually get a good amount. Naah, don’t buy the ‘CD’, that just encourages them to continue producing the copy protected discs. You might - buy the CD, discover you can’t play it, take it back to the shop and complain, and then d/l the tracks if you are so inclined. These copy protected discs are not true CDs anyway IIRC, because they do not meet the Sony Red book standards. I don’t think they they can have ‘Compact Disc’ printed anywhere on their packaging, for example. AFAIK the protection methods also degrade sound quality, but I don’t know if that’s true of all current methods. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Vorlon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@The\_Vorlon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Vorlon)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/36 "2005-06-24T15:37:28Z")
I had one of those danged disks that was so ‘protected’ that it would not play in my system. And of course, the rules were that I could not get my cash back. Hmmm, I thought, must be a defective disk. Replace it, I told them. Lather, rinse, repeat. After disk 15, I had my cash. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/37 "2005-06-24T17:05:27Z")
> [@Boldface Type](#): > > AFAIK the protection methods also degrade sound quality, but I don’t know if that’s true of all current methods. I don’t think it’s the sound quality, but the error correction data. That could have an effect on sound quality if your disc has errors that can’t be corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/38 "2005-06-24T17:37:32Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > I don’t think it’s the sound quality, but the error correction data. That could have an effect on sound quality if your disc has errors that can’t be corrected. Thus making it more likely people will want to make backup copies and keep the original spotless. But that’s effectively illegal due to the DMCA, innit? [Just sing the song](http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020428) while you suffer from [CD paranoia](http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/). ---
**Author:** ![Boldface\_Type](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5e925/32.png) [@Boldface\_Type](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boldface_Type)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/39 "2005-06-24T20:31:10Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > I don’t think it’s the sound quality, but the error correction data. That could have an effect on sound quality if your disc has errors that can’t be corrected. There are quite a few reports of copy protected discs clicking / popping on playback - I suppose this could just be related to error correction data. Then again, I have no real idea of how these protection schemes work anyway. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-freakin-new-cd-technology/309446/40 "2005-06-24T21:30:40Z")
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