# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/181 "2013-02-03T22:19:16Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Well then, the Newtown Conn. school shooting is just one specific anecdote about a deranged young criminal with stolen weapons. Isn’t it? Sure. 30 thousand people a year is data. The 26 are just a point. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/182 "2013-02-03T23:35:25Z")
I know they recommend that if you fall off a horse you should get back on him, but I don’t recall the treatment for PTSD included taking the sufferers out shooting. In fact, I seem to recall that back in the Seventies folks would try to keep those guys away from guns. It being, y’know, sensible. Is this a part of the belief that more guns fix everything? And is that based on, “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail?” 'Cuz they need a larger took kit. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/183 "2013-02-03T23:40:29Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > More guns is surely the answer. If he had been under a pile of guns, the bullets may have deflected. A good effort my friend. But let’s not get silly here. The sniper who was shot was clearly well trained with weapons. But this was just as clearly not enough. We have to ask ourselves “why?”. Well, when shooting at a range, there is a time when you have expended all the ammunition in your particular weapon, be that 5, 10 or 30 shots. It is at this time you are most vulnerable. And the folks who know your vulnerability best are your fellow shooters who are (you know they are!) counting your shots. _How many does he have left before he’s out?_ The solution is clear. All gun ranges should have trained armed guards, standing well behind the customers. They will never be out of ammo. They can keep a sharp eye on the folks to the left and to the right of you, and make sure that they do not get out of line and kill you. Any move by them to swing a weapon your way and fire? BLAM! Down they go. More guns. Armed guards. Really, the solutions is so simple, I don’t see why it are not implemented immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/184 "2013-02-03T23:48:07Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > A good effort my friend. But let’s not get silly here. > > The sniper who was shot was clearly well trained with weapons. But this was just as clearly not enough. We have to ask ourselves “why?”. Well, when shooting at a range, there is a time when you have expended all the ammunition in your particular weapon, be that 5, 10 or 30 shots. It is at this time you are most vulnerable. And the folks who know your vulnerability best are your fellow shooters who are (you know they are!) counting your shots. _How many does he have left before he’s out?_ > > The solution is clear. All gun ranges should have trained armed guards, standing well behind the customers. They will never be out of ammo. They can keep a sharp eye on the folks to the left and to the right of you, and make sure that they do not get out of line and kill you. Any move by them to swing a weapon your way and fire? BLAM! Down they go. > > More guns. Armed guards. Really, the solutions is so simple, I don’t see why it are not implemented immediately. This is entirely sensible. While it is sad this man died, I think all future school, theater, grocery store and random restaurant shooters should commit their future crimes at the gun range. It would be much more challenging and keep all the gun afficianodos all together in one place making the rest of us safer! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/185 "2013-02-03T23:48:20Z")
I think that, because Kyle was a sniper, he never expected a shot from less than a kilometer away to do him in. I mean, if you can’t trust a guy you barely knew but whom you knew had serious mental problems to not shoot you, who can you trust? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/186 "2013-02-03T23:49:37Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I know they recommend that if you fall off a horse you should get back on him, but I don’t recall the treatment for PTSD included taking the sufferers out shooting. In fact, I seem to recall that back in the Seventies folks would try to keep those guys away from guns. It being, y’know, sensible. > > Is this a part of the belief that more guns fix everything? And is that based on, “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail?” 'Cuz they need a larger took kit. There exists the possibility that Kyle wasn’t actually a licensed trauma therapist. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/187 "2013-02-03T23:56:48Z")
“Just back from 'Nam? C’mon man, come with me tonight to the fireworks show in the swamp.” ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/188 "2013-02-04T00:02:24Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > There exists the **possibility** that Kyle wasn’t actually a licensed trauma therapist. Likelihood, is what I think you are saying, but he and his foundation were dedicated to helping [emotionally wounded veterans.](http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/glance-life-chris-kyle-navy-seal-18393200) Treatment is not a job for amateurs, no matter how good-hearted. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/189 "2013-02-04T00:07:20Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > “Just back from 'Nam? C’mon man, come with me tonight to the fireworks show in the swamp.” Oh, Jesus, I would hear news stories about guys who reacted poorly to Asian ladies in black pants suits because they looked too much like the VC, then see MORE Asian ladies in black pants suits at the mall. I could only think, “Sometimes it’s best to not be stylish.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/190 "2013-02-04T00:29:54Z")
Here’s one of the [‘dog shoots man’](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/dog-shoots-man_n_1143890.html) stories. Very stupid to have a loaded gun in the car. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/191 "2013-02-04T00:43:58Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Here’s one of the [‘dog shoots man’](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/dog-shoots-man_n_1143890.html) stories. > Very stupid to have a loaded gun in the car. I think we can all agree that this tragic situation could have been avoided by the simple solution of having more guns. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/192 "2013-02-04T01:05:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think we can all agree that this tragic situation could have been avoided by the simple solution of having more guns. Well, yes. If the dog had to dig through a pile of unloaded guns to get to the loaded one, this tragedy would have been prevented. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/193 "2013-02-04T01:48:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Well, yes. If the dog had to dig through a pile of unloaded guns to get to the loaded one, this tragedy would have been prevented. Again, so close… This poor man had only one gun in his vehicle. This was likely due to the gun-grabbers in his area that have made it so very, very difficult to obtain firearms. If only he had several guns, do you think he would have left them on a pile on the car seat? No, he would have had a proper gun rack installed in his vehicle, preventing this unfortunate, unforseeable accident. You see? It is all the fault of the gun-grabbers. They are just like Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/194 "2013-02-04T02:21:20Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > No, he would have had a proper gun rack installed in his vehicle, preventing this unfortunate, unforseeable accident. The guy was a moron, having a loaded gun in the car, a poster child for You Guys. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/195 "2013-02-04T02:25:48Z")
Top Conservative Cat ‏@TeaPartyCat Wayne LaPierre says the power outage at the #SuperBowl was caused by “violent video games.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/196 "2013-02-04T02:34:15Z")
I would like to take a moment to extend my condolences to the entire gay community for today’s Super Bowl outcome. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/197 "2013-02-04T02:40:09Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Top Conservative Cat ‏@TeaPartyCat > Wayne LaPierre says the power outage at the #SuperBowl was caused by “violent video games.” Oh come on, no link? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/198 "2013-02-04T02:41:13Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I would like to take a moment to extend my condolences to the entire gay community for today’s Super Bowl outcome. This is a Sporting Event, right? I’m not into watching grown men play children’s games. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/199 "2013-02-04T03:20:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Again, so close… > > This poor man had only one gun in his vehicle. This was likely due to the gun-grabbers in his area that have made it so very, very difficult to obtain firearms. If only he had several guns, do you think he would have left them on a pile on the car seat? No, he would have had a proper gun rack installed in his vehicle, preventing this unfortunate, unforseeable accident. > > You see? It is all the fault of the gun-grabbers. They are just like Hitler. He should have just kept his gun with the muzzle pointing in a safe direction, and certainly had his safety on. For something else funny, check out this old man popping rounds off inside city limits: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/e487pIVPWO4/hqdefault.jpg "Elderly Apartment Owner Shoots Invader") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e487pIVPWO4) ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2013, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/200 "2013-02-04T03:28:48Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Sure. 30 thousand people a year is data. The 26 are just a point. That’s all I’m doing too. Just making a point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=11)