# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2041 "2013-04-29T15:15:05Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Right up until the the time they are not. Then he is a criminal. This is why ordinary citizens are always responsible and safe, and the only bad things that happen with guns are done by bad, bad criminals. > > Rather brilliant reasoning, n’est pas? Right, which is kinda the crux of the matter, no? So then the only measure that would really work is to take away guns from _everyone_, one I am not comfortable with. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2042 "2013-04-29T15:17:55Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Right, which is kinda the crux of the matter, no? So then the only measure that would really work is to take away guns from _everyone_, one I am not comfortable with. Well, it seems like somewhere between a nearly unlimited free-for-all access to firearms and taking them away from everyone is some kind of, whatchacallit, excluded middle? ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2043 "2013-04-29T15:23:45Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Right, which is kinda the crux of the matter, no? So then the only measure that would really work is to take away guns from _everyone_, one I am not comfortable with. Not necessarily. What we need is a better filter. Perhaps make guns a little harder to get. Take an example of becoming a private pilot. It’s available to anyone who completes an extensive training course. Not only does the training teach the person to be a good pilot, it filters out people who are not dedicated and meticulous enough to be a responsible pilot. This means that the people who get their pilot’s license are the type of people who can fly responsibly. Right now anyone without a criminal/mental background can get a gun. There’s nothing to filter out the irresponsible people from getting guns. Another thing might be to make irresponsible gun use another restriction of gun ownership like criminal/mental issues. This way gun owners will think twice before doing stupid things with their guns. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2044 "2013-04-29T16:15:05Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Well, it seems like somewhere between a nearly unlimited free-for-all access to firearms and taking them away from everyone is some kind of, whatchacallit, excluded middle? This. Thank you for posting what I was thinking. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2045 "2013-04-29T16:16:35Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Well, it seems like somewhere between a nearly unlimited free-for-all access to firearms and taking them away from everyone is some kind of, whatchacallit, excluded middle? > [@filmore](#): > > Not necessarily. What we need is a better filter. Perhaps make guns a little harder to get. Take an example of becoming a private pilot. It’s available to anyone who completes an extensive training course. Not only does the training teach the person to be a good pilot, it filters out people who are not dedicated and meticulous enough to be a responsible pilot. This means that the people who get their pilot’s license are the type of people who can fly responsibly. > > Right now anyone without a criminal/mental background can get a gun. There’s nothing to filter out the irresponsible people from getting guns. > > Another thing might be to make irresponsible gun use another restriction of gun ownership like criminal/mental issues. This way gun owners will think twice before doing stupid things with their guns. No…I get that and I agree with it. I was replying to the assertion that an ordinary, level-headed CCW guy is not a criminal…until he is. There’s really nothing to be done about that short of removing guns from everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2046 "2013-04-29T16:34:37Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > No…I get that and I agree with it. I was replying to the assertion that an ordinary, level-headed CCW guy is not a criminal…until he is. There’s really nothing to be done about that short of removing guns from everyone. In this case, perhaps we could have made use of some kind of prohibition for anyone who uses the term “thug music” or who buys wine from gas stations. In general, anyone who is a doughy middle aged white guy should have to undergo extra scrutiny before being allowed a firearm. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2047 "2013-04-29T16:58:12Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > No…I get that and I agree with it. I was replying to the assertion that an ordinary, level-headed CCW guy is not a criminal…until he is. There’s really nothing to be done about that short of removing guns from everyone. Right. If he doesn’t have a gun, he can’t use it. But there could be ways to get guns out of the hands of the subset people who cannot handle stressful situations in a calm manner. For example, a guy who blows a gasket because someone cut him off in traffic might use his gun irresponsibly in similar situations. It would be good if there were some way to filter him out of gun ownership. Maybe part of the gun license class could involve how he responds to stressful situations. Don’t police go through something like that? I think they are trained on how to diffuse a stressful situation so that a gun is not necessary. It would be good if gun owners were required to go through a similar kind of training and have to meet some standard. That way the only people with guns are the people who can handle stressful situations in an appropriate manner. It wouldn’t get rid of 100% of the problems, but it would reduce the number of people who are most likely to cause a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2048 "2013-04-29T17:54:19Z")
PPP Is reporting that 5 Senators have taken quite a hit in the polls due to their voting against background checks. [http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP\_Release\_BackgroundChecks\_429.pdf](http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_BackgroundChecks_429.pdf) That is the sound of Kable’s “winning”, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2049 "2013-04-29T18:03:34Z")
When the people lead, the leaders will follow. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2050 "2013-04-29T18:07:07Z")
Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) says the fact that terrorists (and I presume bad guys of all flavors) can buy guns easily at gun shows is just the price we have to pay for freedom. " INGRAHAM: What do you say to Joe Scarborough, all these other people who say, under your theory Senator Inhofe, a terrorist — someone in the country who wants to be a terrorist — nothing is stopping him from going into a gun show and getting a gun from a none (sic) licensed dealer…. ``` INHOFE: Well, the terrorist, they are a part of, not by definition part of a criminal, because they are terrorists, but I would say the same thing is true for terrorists that is for criminals. And that is, if someone in the United States of America or any other place too the criminal element or the terrorist element they will be able to get those. The problem I have is that any restrictions, such as the ones we voted against last week, would have the effect of reducing the number of firearms nationwide and would disproportionately reduce them for law abiding citizens, that’s what I would say to Joe Scarborough. ``` ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2051 "2013-04-29T18:12:11Z")
Come the Revolution, he goes straight to The Wall. But him, we stab. Seems only fair. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2052 "2013-04-29T23:26:28Z")
We may have to. According to Inhofe, [the government has bought up ALL the bullets](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/29/jim-inhofe-ammunition_n_3179117.html). > [@](#): > > “I don’t know how [Napolitano] or anyone else can deny this is going on, all you have to do is go to any of the places in Oklahoma out where I am,” Inhofe said Monday. “I went down to Texas, I tried places down there - no one has any ammo. It’s supply and demand, they’ve taken it all up.” ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2053 "2013-04-30T01:09:41Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Come the Revolution, he goes straight to The Wall. But him, we stab. Seems only fair. Inhofe is one of my senators. Although I occasionally agree with his position on guns, I would gladly sacrifice him for someone with at least half a brain. I knew him when he was mayor of Tulsa, the man is just an amazing douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2054 "2013-04-30T03:03:04Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > We may have to. According to Inhofe, [the government has bought up ALL the bullets](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/29/jim-inhofe-ammunition_n_3179117.html). I don’t think that the government is buying up all the guns but WTF is up with the ammo shortage? I can’t figure it out. I mean, there has got to be a limit to how many rounds you need for the zombie apocalypse. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2055 "2013-04-30T09:23:00Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t think that the government is buying up all the guns but WTF is up with the ammo shortage? I can’t figure it out. I mean, there has got to be a limit to how many rounds you need for the zombie apocalypse. Really? You don’t see how the “OMG the gummint is coming fer our guns!” hysteria encouraged by the NRA might cause some of the more excitable gun owners to stock up on weapons and ammo? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2056 "2013-04-30T12:09:38Z")
I’m surprised that “excitable gun owners” wouldn’t self-ration out of a sense of community, to ensure there’s enough to go around. That “I got mine - FUCK everyone else!” attitude is something you rarely see from Armament-Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2057 "2013-04-30T15:19:23Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Really? You don’t see how the “OMG the gummint is coming fer our guns!” hysteria encouraged by the NRA might cause some of the more excitable gun owners to stock up on weapons and ammo? You do realize that the most recent rash of “OMG the gummint is coming fer our guns!” hysteria was caused by Feinstein and company right? But putting all that aside, you can now buy a S&W AR-15 for under $1000, the higher end AR-15s are at or close to their Newtown prices. But the only places with any ammo to sell seems to be gun ranges. The only range ammo I can get consistently is shot shell and even then 12 gauge is hard to come by. And frankly shotguns aren’t a lot of fun to shoot, all the accuracy of a handgun with all the noise and twice the kick of a rifle. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2058 "2013-04-30T15:37:25Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You do realize that the most recent rash of “OMG the gummint is coming fer our guns!” hysteria was caused by Feinstein and company right? Er, no. It was caused by overreaction to Feinstein and company. And before that it was caused by Obama getting re-elected, and before that it was Obama getting elected for the first time. For people who talk a lot about how frightened the “gun grabbers” are, a lot of gun owners shriek like little girls at the slightest hint that some sort of gun control might happen, however trivial. > [@](#): > > But putting all that aside, you can now buy a S&W AR-15 for under $1000, the higher end AR-15s are at or close to their Newtown prices. But the only places with any ammo to sell seems to be gun ranges. The only range ammo I can get consistently is shot shell and even then 12 gauge is hard to come by. And frankly shotguns aren’t a lot of fun to shoot, all the accuracy of a handgun with all the noise and twice the kick of a rifle. Well, I doubt it’s the government buying up the bullets anyway. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2059 "2013-04-30T15:45:01Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You do realize that the most recent rash of “OMG the gummint is coming fer our guns!” hysteria was caused by Feinstein and company right? Gyrate specifically referenced hysteria encouraged by the NRA. You’re arguing that this is caused by Feinstein? Let’s take a look at [a link that’s already been posted here](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/04/nra_magazine_covers.php). April 2012 - The most dangerous election of our lifetime. October 2012 - Defend your freedom with your check, and send the gun banners packing. November 2012 - How and When Obama Will Come For Your Guns February 2013 - This cover is so scary I don’t even know which scare words to quote here. Feinstein introduced her bill on January 24th. If the NRA’s Freedom magazine is like most other periodicals, it probably left the printers in late December, so even that fear-fest predates Feinstein. Ammo shortages pre-date Sandy Hook. [Here’s a thread](http://www.americanpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=731&t=31282) complaining about lack of .223 ammo from Nov 2nd. [Here’s a blog post](http://www.ammoland.com/2012/07/another-ammunition-shortage-frank-talk-about-guns/#axzz2Rxgy8Kpl) from July complaining about the same thing. This is an assault weapon ammo shortage before an assault weapon ban was introduced, before Obama was re-elected, before Sandy Hook set America on edge. However, one thing that HAD happened was the NRA amping up the fear. eta: [Here’s another forum bitchfest](http://forums.gunsandammo.com/showthread.php?9439-Ammo-shortage) from November. Searching google for “ammo shortage” by date range reveals dozens of these. Seems like the election was when the shortage really ramped up and started to hit average consumers. Was that still Feinstein somehow? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2060 "2013-04-30T16:12:54Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You do realize that the most recent rash of “OMG the gummint is coming fer our guns!” hysteria was caused by Feinstein and company right? Adding to what **steronz** said, the latest rash of paranoia from the NRA side was caused by the NRA. You and they would have us do nothing as kids were shot, or worse, remove our gun laws so that more kids would be shot. There are people who now are trying to find out what type of guns were used by the Tsarnaev brothers so they can go out and purchase it. Its a sickness, these people are mentally ill [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=104)