# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 117
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2321 "2013-06-17T00:25:04Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Speaking as someone who lives in the UK and follows the news fairly closely, what the fuck are you talking about? Your healthcare system doesn’t work either. Don’t you watch FOX News? This is the post-411 world. We no longer need information to back up our reality. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2322 "2013-06-17T00:55:32Z")
It works in _my_ context. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2323 "2013-06-17T01:54:12Z")
But you are taking it out of context! You don’t even have Kroger stores over there. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2324 "2013-06-17T02:37:34Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Okay, just plain wear and tear. I realize we still have weapons from the 18th and 19th centuries, but in most people’s hands, guns aren’t going to last much longer than that. So, if guns are outlawed, chances are within three or four centuries they’ll be disarmed. LOL. The average “time to crime” is 8 years. If a total ban (i.e. confiscation) on guns did change the behaviour of criminals, then about half the illegal guns would be removed from society in 8 years. You would achieve a similar but less effective result with licensing and registration (only because there is more “leakage” with licensing and registration than with a total ban). In the meanwhile a total ban would leave the civilian population disarmed in the face of an armed criminal population while licensing and registration would impose a burden (a constitutional burden according to Heller) on the law abiding citizen while constricting the flow of firearms into criminal hands to a trickle. > [@fudrucker](#): > > Sure I do. I know of _no_ advocates of a freely armed citizenry (including myself) advocating access to military shoulder fired artillery. All we want is the liberty guaranteed by the constitution to protect ourselves. > > This means weapons common in general society: Handguns, semi-auto rifles and shotguns. I would suggest that the second amendment gives the states the right to arm their citizens with anything the military has. But yes, the individual right can be limited to what is reasonably necessary for effective self defense. > [@fudrucker](#): > > Don’t fool yourself. Liberals fervently pray for the day when only the cops and military _do_ have guns. And the rest of us will bend over in grateful servitude to their socialist god. YES!!! Because cops and the military are well known for their hippy leftist tendencies. > [@Lumpy](#): > > That’s as big a fantasy as the Prohibitionists’ confident prediction that banning alcohol would solve myriads of social problems. > > Take a look at [the thriving illegal gun shops in the Philippines](http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/29/us-philippines-guns-idUSBRE86S00S20120729). > > You think the western hemisphere would be gun free if only it weren’t for us gun-nut Yankees? Take a look at Brazil: . I don’t think the Brazil situation is remotely close enough to ours for this to be meaningful. There are plenty of industrialized first world western nations without guns that make better comparisons. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2325 "2013-06-17T02:40:59Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > If “by magic the guns already out there vanish”, what happens is that gun availability over North and South America crashes because its biggest supplier is gone. Quality of life in the whole region increases as gun deaths decrease. Of course this relies on magic. But if we magically got rid of all the guns, I suspect there would be fewer people who feel like the second amendment is important to them. > [@](#): > > Don’t be silly. If a “police state” wanted to take your gun or kill you, they’d take your gun or kill you and your owning a gun wouldn’t help you in the slightest. See Syria. > [@](#): > > And in a real police state the vast majority of Second Amercement fans would be fighting for it, not against it anyway. They’d be lining up to join the death squads so they could kick in the doors of suspected liberals and homosexuals or anyone with browner skin than them and murder them all in the name of “freedom”. “Second Amendment solutions” in action. Well thats the rub. Most of these guys crying “freedom” like they’re braveheart are frequently on the side of the English. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2326 "2013-06-17T11:19:08Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > YES!!! Because cops and the military are well known for their hippy leftist tendencies. And of course hippy leftists are well known for their pro-police, pro-military, pro-fascism views. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2327 "2013-06-17T12:08:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > See Syria. Oh, please. You don’t seriously think that the rebels are standing up to the Syrian army with small arms, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2328 "2013-06-17T14:20:52Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They’d be lining up to join the death squads so they could kick in the doors of suspected liberals and homosexuals or anyone with browner skin than them and murder them all in the name of “freedom”. “Second Amendment solutions” in action. …with browner skin than THEY and murder them all in the name of “freedom.” Nominative. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2329 "2013-06-17T18:00:41Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > …with browner skin than THEY and murder them all in the name of “freedom.” > > Nominative. Wrong. Unless you’re a fanatic prescriptivist who learned English several decades ago and are unable to adapt. [QUOTE=Otto Jesperson, Prof. of English, quoted in review] … The accusative after than is pronounced to be “now so universal as to be considered the normal construction,” not only in the inevitable than whom, but elsewhere… [/QUOTE] Sorry if this has nothing to do with guns. I was attracted by the serendipitous juxtaposition of “Stupid” and “Bricker” in the thread list. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2330 "2013-06-17T18:30:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And in a real police state the vast majority of Second Amercement fans would be fighting for it, not against it anyway. They’d be lining up to join the death squads so they could kick in the doors of suspected liberals and homosexuals or anyone with browner skin than them and murder them all in the name of “freedom”. “Second Amendment solutions” in action. You don’t actually know any gun owners, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2331 "2013-06-17T19:30:42Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > You don’t actually know any gun owners, do you? Of all the gun owners I know of, only two do NOT fit this description. Many of them, I know are gun owners because they espouse this attitude on social networking sites. My FIL has been stocking up on weapons _specifically_ because he is preparing to have to fight Liberals/Democrats in the streets. Yes. He gets all his information from Fox News and talk radio. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2332 "2013-06-17T20:10:18Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Of all the gun owners I know of, only two do NOT fit this description. Many of them, I know are gun owners because they espouse this attitude on social networking sites. > > My FIL has been stocking up on weapons _specifically_ because he is preparing to have to fight Liberals/Democrats in the streets. > > Yes. He gets all his information from Fox News and talk radio. ☹ That is really interesting. I probably know more people that own guns than don’t and not one of them has ever expressed any interest in using their guns to fight Liberals/Democrats in the street or anywhere else for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2333 "2013-06-17T21:32:59Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Oh, please. You don’t seriously think that the rebels are standing up to the Syrian army with small arms, do you? The Syrian government doesn’t seem to be having much success just taking their guns and killing them and as far as I can tell, they really would like to. BTW, what do you think is the most common weapon being used by the Syrian rebels? > **[Free Syrian Army](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army#Weapons)** > > Decentralised (2015–present): > Non-state allies > Non-state opponents You have no faith in the power of individuals do you? > [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Of all the gun owners I know of, only two do NOT fit this description. Many of them, I know are gun owners because they espouse this attitude on social networking sites. > > My FIL has been stocking up on weapons _specifically_ because he is preparing to have to fight Liberals/Democrats in the streets. > > Yes. He gets all his information from Fox News and talk radio. ☹ Of all the gun owners I know,none of them fit that description. Most of them are right leaning but generally politically indifferent. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2334 "2013-06-18T01:07:35Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > That is really interesting. I probably know more people that own guns than don’t and not one of them has ever expressed any interest in using their guns to fight Liberals/Democrats in the street or anywhere else for that matter. I find this almost as unbelievable as the other–you don’t know a single range rambo? It’s vaguely interesting to me how the crazy wings of both sides tend to assume the police and government apparatus are wholeheartedly in support of the other side. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2335 "2013-06-18T01:40:23Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > BTW, what do you think is the most common weapon being used by the Syrian rebels? > > [Free Syrian Army - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Syrian_Army#Weapons) Your own cite argues against you; heavy machine guns and RPGs aren’t small arms. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You have no faith in the power of individuals do you? None whatsoever. Individuals are weak; that’s why society exists in the first place. That’s why Americans are taught to value individualism so much; it makes them weak, easy victims for the powerful. Easy to exploit, easy to control, easy to ruin or kill if they become inconvenient. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2336 "2013-06-18T02:03:13Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > That is really interesting. I probably know more people that own guns than don’t and not one of them has ever expressed any interest in using their guns to fight Liberals/Democrats in the street or anywhere else for that matter. The fact that they are not talking to you about it probably means you are on the list. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2337 "2013-06-18T02:49:03Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I find this almost as unbelievable as the other–you don’t know a single range rambo? > > It’s vaguely interesting to me how the crazy wings of both sides tend to assume the police and government apparatus are wholeheartedly in support of the other side. I am unfamiliar with the phrase “range Rambo” but seriously, none of my gun owning friends have ever expressed the desire to hunt anyone down. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2338 "2013-06-18T02:57:16Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > I am unfamiliar with the phrase “range Rambo” but seriously, none of my gun owning friends have ever expressed the desire to hunt anyone down. A “range Rambo” is a term I hear around here for the kind of gun nut who is seemingly always at the shooting range, burning up hundreds of bucks worth of ammo monthly and ranting about how his huge gun collection is totally going to help him hold off the gun grabbers and gays and whoever else is the boogeyman of the week. Generally this is the guy you expect to be jailed for shooting his ex-wife’s cat rather than actually leading armed insurrection. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2339 "2013-06-18T03:14:23Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > A “range Rambo” is a term I hear around here for the kind of gun nut who is seemingly always at the shooting range, burning up hundreds of bucks worth of ammo monthly and ranting about how his huge gun collection is totally going to help him hold off the gun grabbers and gays and whoever else is the boogeyman of the week. > > Generally this is the guy you expect to be jailed for shooting his ex-wife’s cat rather than actually leading armed insurrection. I suppose that’s one advantage to living out in the country as I do. We don’t go to the shooting range with all the crazy people, we just go outside and shoot. I did work with the person that matched that description many years ago but fortunately I haven’t known any since then. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2340 "2013-06-18T03:25:56Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > That is really interesting. I probably know more people that own guns than don’t and not one of them has ever expressed any interest in using their guns to fight Liberals/Democrats in the street or anywhere else for that matter. What are they, pussies? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=116) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=118)