# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 119
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2361 "2013-06-20T03:43:56Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I believe that every gun owner who justifes gun ownership as a deterrent to tyranny envisions an eventuality under which overthrowing the federal government is necessary. While this is true to the extent it’s practically a tautology, I don’t think it means what you think it means based on the rest of your statement. Case in point, I’m a gun owner. I (partially) justify my gun ownership as a deterrent to tyranny. However, while I can envision an eventuality under which violent revolution would be necessary, I can’t honestly say I think such a thing is even vanishingly likely in my lifetime–and if it does happen, I’m far more likely to be on the side of the average anti-gun type as the prospect of right-wing/theocratic tyranny is to my mind obviously more likely than some kind of socialist or progressive tyranny. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2013, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2362 "2013-06-20T06:18:45Z")
The anti-gun nutters are gaining strength. [We even read that an esteemed NFL player is being sued for standing his ground](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/patriots-hernadez-sued-face-shooting-article-1.1377623): > [@](#): > > David Jaroslawicz … filed a civil complaint against [Aaron] Hernandez alleging that an unlicensed gun discharged and his client, Alexander Bradley, was shot in the face, causing the loss of his right eye. Bradley, a Hernandez acquaintance, now has a plate and screws in his head as a result of the shooting, his lawyer said. The lawsuit contends Hernandez and Bradley had argued at Miami strip club Tootsie’s. Since it was a strip club, I assume they were arguing over who had the right to tip a particular dancer. With the recent precedent that denial of a $150 favor justifies homicide, it seems absurd that Hernandez could be charged, given the likely prices in the strip club. Is it all about some technicality? It wasn’t Texas or it wasn’t night-time? In any event, the incident just increases our faith in the Second Amendment. It’s really Bradley’s fault that he wasn’t carrying a gun with which to stand his ground. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2363 "2013-06-22T17:10:21Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > “Ninjaed,” if you want to get picky, but I am more shocked at the number of people in this hijack who use contractions while they try to sound pedantic. In what way are the use of contractions and sounding pedantic mutually exclusive? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2364 "2013-06-23T01:10:52Z")
If you have to ask then you never had my fourth-grade Grammar teacher, who was also my Arithmetic, History, Religion, Reading, and Etiquette nun. Contractions are not used in polite company. They are, shall we say, _low._ Just as calling each other by familiar forms of our names was inappropriate, even on the playground. My mother agreed, and even today I feel a bit uncomfortable being called “Mike.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2365 "2013-06-23T01:21:02Z")
That can be very disconcerting, Fred. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2366 "2013-06-23T01:53:57Z")
That is _Frederick,_ sir. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2367 "2013-06-23T02:25:34Z")
Excuse me, but did I give you leave to call me “sir”? I think not! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2368 "2013-06-23T02:35:29Z")
Sorry, Massa ‘ **lucidator**! I’se gwan be obah here, whuppin’ myseff! I think you can guess in which part of the US I spent fourth grade, though by then anyone could use any drinking fountain. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2369 "2013-06-23T19:07:18Z")
I just went to a tactical shooting class and the guys running it were talking about gun confiscations and how we should all donate to the NRA because it is the only thing keeping THE SHEEP from taking away all guns. Nothing further to add, but I just wanted to share my brush with Gun-Nut Stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2370 "2013-06-23T19:51:52Z")
“Tactical” shooting? As compared to “strategic” shooting? Or what? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2371 "2013-06-23T22:27:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Tactical” shooting? As compared to “strategic” shooting? Or what? As opposed to target shooting, I guess. Mostly it was a self defense class that suggested where to shoot people to stop them quickly and on control of quick shots. It was a little meh, actually. But I did get to shoot a bunch of pistols. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2372 "2013-06-23T23:02:03Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > What comparison were you referring to? **Der Trihs** claimed that the USA was virtually single-handedly responsible for flooding the western hemisphere with guns; I pointed out evidence that that’s not so. My apologies. I thought you were saying that we would devolve into the Brazil scenario of ubiquitous zip g if we imposed too much gun regulation. > [@TonySinclair](#): > > Really? You know of _ **no** _ gun advocates who claim that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to protect citizens from their government? > > Handguns and shotguns won’t help against tanks and bombers. You need your own tanks and bombers to defeat Obama’s plan to occupy Texas with UN troops. Sure they will. Haven’t you seen Wolverines? Or for a more recent example, Afghanistan and Iraq? And lets be honest. There will be military units that back the rebels, it wont be that one sided. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I believe that every gun owner who justifes gun ownership as a deterrent to tyranny envisions an eventuality under which overthrowing the federal government is necessary. I don’t know what fraction of the total gun owners they represent, but the ones that do are advocating the violent overthrow of the government. Well, they aren’t advocating it, they just want the ability to do it if it comes to that. The revolutionary war was the violent overthrow of government as well. > [@elucidator](#): > > There are lots of gun owners who are normal and responsible people. Point of fact, the whole effort to apply sensible restrictions to gun ownership depends on them. And yet the gun grabbers vilify and persecute gun owners. Their arguments frequently devolve to calling gun owners names. > [@Lobohan](#): > > I just went to a tactical shooting class and the guys running it were talking about gun confiscations and how we should all donate to the NRA because it is the only thing keeping THE SHEEP from taking away all guns. > > Nothing further to add, but I just wanted to share my brush with Gun-Nut Stupidity. Between the nut that wants to keep his guns and the nut that wants to take them away, are you sure the gun nuts are the more dangerous? > [@Lobohan](#): > > As opposed to target shooting, I guess. Mostly it was a self defense class that suggested where to shoot people to stop them quickly and on control of quick shots. > > It was a little meh, actually. But I did get to shoot a bunch of pistols. My local gun range had a party a while back and they had a bunch of guns set up at different stalls and for a fixed price, you could fire a magazine through almost every gun they had for rent. From the S&W 500 and 460 to the NAA 22mag. They sold a bunch of pistols that day as people realized that they prefer some other gun to the one they already own. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2373 "2013-06-24T00:13:42Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > …And yet the gun grabbers vilify and persecute gun owners. Their arguments frequently devolve to calling gun owners names… Its a shame that a decorous and polite person such as yourself must consort with such ruffians. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2374 "2013-06-24T00:52:15Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Between the nut that wants to keep his guns and the nut that wants to take them away, are you sure the gun nuts are the more dangerous? By far. The fear and anger those two displayed are perhaps similar to what the anti-gun side might feel, but the gun side has access to firearms. 😃 Personally, I think the country would be far better if we had England style gun laws. > [@](#): > > My local gun range had a party a while back and they had a bunch of guns set up at different stalls and for a fixed price, you could fire a magazine through almost every gun they had for rent. From the S&W 500 and 460 to the NAA 22mag. They sold a bunch of pistols that day as people realized that they prefer some other gun to the one they already own. It’s a good idea, I’m now sold on a Glock 17 because of the way it fits my hand and the trigger reset. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2375 "2013-06-24T01:53:06Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > By far. The fear and anger those two displayed are perhaps similar to what the anti-gun side might feel, but the gun side has access to firearms. 😃 The paradox of being a reasonable gun-rights advocate is that your hobbies somewhat often can put you in proximity to people within one government-mind-control ray of shooting up the place. 🆒 > [@](#): > > Personally, I think the country would be far better if we had England style gun laws. That might be true, although I think Germany-style laws would probably be ultimately more politically feasible (and generally preferable, in my opinion). > [@](#): > > It’s a good idea, I’m now sold on a Glock 17 because of the way it fits my hand and the trigger reset. Welcome to the club. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2376 "2013-06-24T17:00:17Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its a shame that a decorous and polite person such as yourself must consort with such ruffians. Its the price of living in a society. Sometimes people vilify you for wanting to preserve a right. Some people do it with guns rights, other do it with abortion rights. > [@Lobohan](#): > > By far. The fear and anger those two displayed are perhaps similar to what the anti-gun side might feel, but the gun side has access to firearms. 😃 Well, both side have access to firearms. Considering the demography of who uses guns inc rime, I think its fair to say that disarming the otherwise eligible populace will have a negligible effect on gun violence (not counting suicides). > [@](#): > > Personally, I think the country would be far better if we had England style gun laws. If the founding fathers felt that way, we’d still be part of England. Mexico might be a better analogy for what would happen here than the UK. The Uk already had very low gun ownership in the population including the criminal class. Disarming the citizenry there did very little to reduce gun violence. Mexico on the other hand had an armed criminal class and disarming the citizenry turned them into victims. If you want UK type results from a ban you have to have a UK type situation prior to the ban. > [@](#): > > It’s a good idea, I’m now sold on a Glock 17 because of the way it fits my hand and the trigger reset. I went on a bit of a buying binge that week. > [@Zeriel](#): > > Welcome to the club. I have been moving away from glocks lately. The lack of an external safety is a disadvantage for me. I prefer single action double action with an external safety, and a magazine safety. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2377 "2013-06-24T17:13:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Its the price of living in a society. Sometimes people vilify you for wanting to preserve a right. Yes, there are those who vilify people who wish to preserver their right to their own lives, and to be safe from unreasonable dangers to it, from those who mistakenly call their fetish a “right”. > [@](#): > > If you want UK type results from a ban you have to have a UK type situation prior to the ban. Great, let’s get started creating one. Glad to hear you’re with us. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2378 "2013-06-24T17:47:50Z")
[Five-year-old girl fatally shoots self in Louisiana, police say](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/23/five-year-old-girl-fatally-shoots-self-in-louisiana-police-say/#ixzz2X9nNNqpH) > [@](#): > > The New Orleans Police Department said in a news release the girl was home alone Sunday, somehow found her mother’s revolver, and accidentally shot herself in the head. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2379 "2013-06-24T17:49:25Z")
There’s a couple of concepts here kinda hard to wrap my head around. One is the parallel between a woman’s right to control over her very own body as compared with someones right to own and bear a particular form of object. The other is that “gun grabber” is a perfectly acceptable label to pin on anyone who doesn’t utterly accept the **DA** program, and “gun nut” is a vilification. The direct comparison between England and Mexico I will pass by quickly. Perhaps when I am no longer gaping in stunned astonishment. Ordinarily, I might ask something like “Are you fucking _serious_?!!” but I’m fairy sure that’s superfluous. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2380 "2013-06-24T17:50:57Z")
Yes, please pick either “fooking mad” or “muy loco”, thanks. Don’t confuse us, you know what we’re like. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=118) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=120)