# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 122
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2421 "2013-06-30T16:43:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Don’t you think you are overdoing it a bit on the gun safety? If it bothers you to keep them at home that much then don’t keep them at home. I’m sure there are lockers at one of the gun ranges near you. What you are doing is more than just belt and suspenders. > > And arrowheads? Are they significantly more dangerous than the knife you have in your kitchen? Or do you keep that in a safe too? > > No offense, really, but I am trying to understand the reasoning. Maybe I’m doing something wrong. I find the whole thing very hard to believe. Anybody with a concealed carry permit is going to have a gun ready and loaded when he’s at home. I can just imagine some macho man hearing a noise in the living room, and frantically going from safe to safe, assembling his gun. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2422 "2013-06-30T16:47:14Z")
But the reason I came here was to post this: [http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/06/26/Jackson-boys-deaths.html](http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/06/26/Jackson-boys-deaths.html) ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2423 "2013-06-30T18:03:19Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > I find the whole thing very hard to believe. Anybody with a concealed carry permit is going to have a gun ready and loaded when he’s at home. Hell, man, I’ve had a concealed carry permit and not actually owned a pistol. Given I live in the suburbs and commute through west Philly, I don’t even need to imagine to know a scenario where I don’t feel like I’d need a loaded gun at home but might when I’m out and about. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2424 "2013-06-30T19:10:43Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Hell, man, I’ve had a concealed carry permit and not actually owned a pistol. Given I live in the suburbs and commute through west Philly, I don’t even need to imagine to know a scenario where I don’t feel like I’d need a loaded gun at home but might when I’m out and about. Sorry, I guess I should have said anybody with a concealed carry permit who shoots dogs with his pistol. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2425 "2013-06-30T19:31:47Z")
I’m still trying to wrap my head around the odds that he’d be attacked by a dog after he had gone to the range and bought some bullets. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2426 "2013-06-30T19:45:22Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I’m still trying to wrap my head around the odds that he’d be attacked by a dog after he had gone to the range and bought some bullets. Easily explained: > **[Ammunitions manufacturer selling pork-coated bullets to fight Muslims](https://www.salon.com/2013/06/27/ammunitions_manufacturer_selling_pork_coated_bullets_to_fight_muslims_partner/)** > > Jihawg Ammunition, an Idaho-based company, is marketing their product with the slogan "Put some Ham in MoHAMed" ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2427 "2013-07-01T18:09:41Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > But the reason I came here was to post this: > > [http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/06/26/Jackson-boys-deaths.html](http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/06/26/Jackson-boys-deaths.html) Thats not really stupid gun news, its just tragic. Some ccw shot himself in the dick while cleaning his gun is stupid gun news. Children engaging in murder/suicide (or perhaps accidental shooting/suicide) is just tragic. > [@TonySinclair](#): > > Easily explained: > > [http://www.salon.com/2013/06/27/ammunitions\_manufacturer\_selling\_pork\_coated\_bullets\_to\_fight\_muslims\_partner/](http://www.salon.com/2013/06/27/ammunitions_manufacturer_selling_pork_coated_bullets_to_fight_muslims_partner/) I think racism probably correlates better with conservatives than it does with gun nuts. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2428 "2013-07-01T18:15:29Z")
What are the defining characteristics of a “gun nut”? Are there any, outside of an irrational and unreasonable affection for firearms? Back in the Days of Darkness, when Nixon declared it duck season on students, I had some severely lefty acquaintances who armed themselves as best they could against “The Man”. He never arrived, and I’m not sure if they were relieved or disappointed, I kept my distance and my own counsel. But they weren’t “gun nuts”, they were just nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2429 "2013-07-01T18:27:29Z")
Anyone who owns a gun, would own a gun, thinks it should be legal for anyone to own a gun, doesn’t vote for Obama, criticizes Obama for any reason, or thinks that public policy should be made based on facts and reason rather than by a contest for who can cry the hardest, is a “gun nut,” based on how the term is used. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2430 "2013-07-01T18:37:32Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What are the defining characteristics of a “gun nut”? Are there any, outside of an irrational and unreasonable affection for firearms? > > Back in the Days of Darkness, when Nixon declared it duck season on students, I had some severely lefty acquaintances who armed themselves as best they could against “The Man”. He never arrived, and I’m not sure if they were relieved or disappointed, I kept my distance and my own counsel. But they weren’t “gun nuts”, they were just nuts. I am using the term gun nuts loosely to refer to anyone on the gun rights side of the debate. just as I loosely refer to gun control advocates as gun grabbers (particularly if they think that an AWB has any sort of merit). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2431 "2013-07-01T20:08:33Z")
For the love of Og, will you please _please_ quit it about the fucking, goddam AWB! The fate of Western Civilization does not depend on the fucking AWB!! AAAAAaaaaarrrgh! ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2432 "2013-07-02T02:51:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What are the defining characteristics of a “gun nut”? Are there any, outside of an irrational and unreasonable affection for firearms? Personally, I define a “gun nut” as the intersection of “really REALLY likes firearms for everyone (sometimes, “everyone politically/culturally similar to themselves”)” and “really REALLY thinks they will have an actual justified NEED to discharge a firearm at a living target (outside of a hunting context) at some point in a normal American lifetime”. (I say “normal” because the one circumstance in which I carry a pistol is “hiking in bear country”, which is not “normal” but not really “nutty” either, IMHO). The “unreasonable affection for firearms” guys, they’re about as collectively “nuts” as any other hobbyist with a somewhat dangerous focus (like car/motorcycle collectors, or those really serious model rocketry guys). ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2433 "2013-07-02T03:55:53Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > For the love of Og, will you please _please_ quit it about the fucking, goddam AWB! The fate of Western Civilization does not depend on the fucking AWB!! AAAAAaaaaarrrgh! Right? He’s a real Johnny one-neuron. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2434 "2013-07-02T04:38:45Z")
Maybe I was being a mite harsh. Cramp in my _chi_. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2435 "2013-07-02T09:13:35Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > Anyone who owns a gun, would own a gun, thinks it should be legal for anyone to own a gun, doesn’t vote for Obama, criticizes Obama for any reason, or thinks that public policy should be made based on facts and reason rather than by a contest for who can cry the hardest, is a “gun nut,” based on how the term is used. Do you live in Oz? Because pretty much every post of yours involves a straw man. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2436 "2013-07-02T14:55:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > For the love of Og, will you please _please_ quit it about the fucking, goddam AWB! The fate of Western Civilization does not depend on the fucking AWB!! AAAAAaaaaarrrgh! Then perhaps you should get your fellow gun grabbers to stop trying to pass an AWB as the crown jewel of your gun control agenda. The gun nuts didn’t try to pass an AWB, the gun grabbers did and it colors every attempt by gun grabbers to pass any sort of gun control for the forseeable future. Now, when idiots like Wayne LaPierre makes ridiculous claims about Obama coming for our guns during the re-election campaign (even though he did NOTHING during his first term to abridge gun rights), we can’t just point and laugh because the gun grabbers made Wayne Lapieere into an oracle. Good job guys, you manged to give someone like Wayne LaPierre credibility. > [@Zeriel](#): > > Personally, I define a “gun nut” as the intersection of “really REALLY likes firearms for everyone (sometimes, “everyone politically/culturally similar to themselves”)” and “really REALLY thinks they will have an actual justified NEED to discharge a firearm at a living target (outside of a hunting context) at some point in a normal American lifetime”. (I say “normal” because the one circumstance in which I carry a pistol is “hiking in bear country”, which is not “normal” but not really “nutty” either, IMHO). > > The “unreasonable affection for firearms” guys, they’re about as collectively “nuts” as any other hobbyist with a somewhat dangerous focus (like car/motorcycle collectors, or those really serious model rocketry guys). Yeah, guys like that exist … and the other gun owners just point and laugh at them. We call them mall ninjas. Their numbers have shrunk significantly since the advent of easily accessible internet porn. I probably have an “unreasonable affection for firearms” but I don’t think I live under the sword. I don’t think I am going to need a firearm at a moment’s notice, but I do think some people will. I don’t think I can reasonably worry about home invasion, but I think some people can. I don’t think I will have to deal with riots and looting but I think some people will. I don’t think that our democracy will turn into a tyranny but one day it may. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2437 "2013-07-02T16:37:31Z")
I don’t think you will win the lottery, but some day you might. Should you buy a ticket every week? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2438 "2013-07-02T17:08:38Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I don’t think you will win the lottery, but some day you might. Should you buy a ticket every week? This is just the defense of tyranny part you are responding to, right? Not the rest of it, right? I don’t think lottery is a good analogy. I think single premium insurance is a better analogy. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2439 "2013-07-02T17:33:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t think lottery is a good analogy. I think single premium insurance is a better analogy. So your gun pays interest while you are waiting to be mugged? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2440 "2013-07-02T19:41:48Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So your gun pays interest while you are waiting to be mugged? Its not an exact analogy and its closer to single premium term insurance but now that you mention it. My gun collection has appreciated in value. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=121) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=123)