# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 126
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2501 "2013-07-13T21:15:44Z")
> [@](#): > > An Oregon man told police he was using his assault rifle as a crutch to help him get up from a couch at a friend’s apartment > [@](#): > > Lori Nelson, who lives down the block, said she was startled by the noise of gunfire, and saw Meyer **running down the driveway.** Something tells me he’s making up the “crutch” part. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2502 "2013-07-13T22:55:53Z")
> [@Enkel](#): > > Man doesn’t realize he owns a fully automatic rifle, tries to use it as a crutch to get off the couch, blasts little girl upstairs into heaven. > > [http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_CHILD\_SLAYING\_ASSAULT\_RIFLE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-12-19-07-44](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHILD_SLAYING_ASSAULT_RIFLE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-12-19-07-44) > DAMN! There goes that “no one has committed a crime with an automatic weapon since [pick date @ 100 years ago]” mantra. That’s not a crime, it’s collateral damage in the war against totalitarianism. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2503 "2013-07-13T23:02:58Z")
> [@Enkel](#): > > DAMN! There goes that “no one has committed a crime with an automatic weapon since [pick date @ 100 years ago]” mantra. Yeah, now that we’re up to 3 crimes in the last century, it’s just common sense to start building the concentration camps for gun owners. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2504 "2013-07-13T23:12:36Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > That’s not a crime, it’s collateral damage in the war against totalitarianism. Can Crafterman still play with his gunnie-wunnies? If he can still play with his gunnie-wunnies, this girl’s death was worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2505 "2013-07-13T23:52:09Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > Yeah, now that we’re up to 3 crimes in the last century, it’s just common sense to start building the concentration camps for gun owners. Well, machine gun owners, sure. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2506 "2013-07-13T23:59:52Z")
If we had universal health care, he would’ve had a real crutch. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2507 "2013-07-14T01:15:22Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > If we had universal health care, he would’ve had a real crutch. Yeah but that would mean, like Socialism or something and they don’t like guns and stuff. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2508 "2013-07-14T01:28:00Z")
> **[Shootout spills onto highway, across town](https://archive.jsonline.com/news/crime/pair-of-men-with-concealed-carry-permits-engage-in-rolling-road-rage-shootout-b9953189z1-215267661.html/)** > > Two Milwaukee men — each with a state permit to carry a concealed weapon — traded dozens of shots in a rolling shootout through two sides of town and down a freeway. Wisconsin recently passed a concealed carry law. **Concealed carry shootout.** Two Milwaukee men — each with a state permit to carry a concealed weapon — traded dozens of shots in a rolling shootout through two sides of town and down a freeway, the kind of Wild West scenario concealed carry opponents warned would turn road rage incidents deadly. No one was killed or injured in the June 26 incident, according to a criminal complaint that charges just one of the men, who says he feels like he’s being punished for being a victim. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2509 "2013-07-14T02:08:23Z")
That’s not possible. CCW people are different than everyone else and do not commit crimes, let alone engage in unsafe gun practices. Plus they follow four simple rules. And they could have thrown swimming pools or alcohol at each other anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2510 "2013-07-14T02:20:18Z")
Concealed carry has been legalized in every state over the last 50 years, over which crime, violence, murder, and gun crime have consistently gone down. I am not claiming a relationship. It is much more likely that factors such as the end to using lead paint, legalized abortion and contraception, a different view of child abuse, more stringent imprisonment such as three-strikes laws, and many other societal factors are responsible for the precipitous drop in violence crime. In fact, when looking at the data properly, the only rational conclusion is that gun laws and gun ownership have no relationship at all to any category of crime. Please resume your regularly scheduled emotion-driven irrationality. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2511 "2013-07-14T02:26:54Z")
> [@Enkel](#): > > Man doesn’t realize he owns a fully automatic rifle, tries to use it as a crutch to get off the couch, blasts little girl upstairs into heaven. > > [http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_CHILD\_SLAYING\_ASSAULT\_RIFLE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-12-19-07-44](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHILD_SLAYING_ASSAULT_RIFLE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-12-19-07-44) > DAMN! There goes that “no one has committed a crime with an automatic weapon since [pick date @ 100 years ago]” mantra. Can’t make an omelette without shooting a few little girls. Or something. She’s a real patriot hero, dying for freedom like that. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2512 "2013-07-14T06:36:29Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > And what puzzles me is how anti gun control folks reach the opposite conclusion from that stat (if indeed it is true). Have any of the anti-gun folks provided any cites? > [@](#): > > To me, the obvious conclusion is that all transfers of guns should require a background check and all guns should be registered. How else do we know if the felon turned in his guns? The license is a de facto background check. You can’t get a license without one. > [@Enkel](#): > > DAMN! There goes that “no one has committed a crime with an automatic weapon since [pick date @ 100 years ago]” mantra. Accident /= crime. There is usually an intent requirement or something close to it. > [@jasg](#): > > Yeah but that would mean, like Socialism or something and they don’t like guns and stuff. Socialists don’t like guns? :dubious: > [@Condescending\_Robot](#): > > Concealed carry has been legalized in every state over the last 50 years, over which crime, violence, murder, and gun crime have consistently gone down. > > I am not claiming a relationship. It is much more likely that factors such as the end to using lead paint, legalized abortion and contraception, a different view of child abuse, more stringent imprisonment such as three-strikes laws, and many other societal factors are responsible for the precipitous drop in violence crime. In fact, when looking at the data properly, the only rational conclusion is that gun laws and gun ownership have no relationship at all to any category of crime. > > Please resume your regularly scheduled emotion-driven irrationality. Irrationality is about as fundamental to the anti-gun folks as it is to the anti-nuclear power folks or anti-gay folks. They don’t give a shit about the facts, they know the TRUTH!!! Every expert on both sides of the debate that has opined on the subject of CCW has said that CCW presents no greater danger to the public than not having CCW. In fact they seem to think that CCWs are generally safer and less prone to crime than the general population. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2513 "2013-07-14T15:02:28Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Yeah but that would mean, like Socialism or something and they don’t like guns and stuff. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Socialists don’t like guns? :dubious: Well according to my relatives, that describes Obama perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2514 "2013-07-14T16:23:21Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Well according to my relatives, that describes Obama perfectly. Just because your relatives are stupid doesn’t mean that you have to be too. Stupidity of that sort isn’t genetic. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2515 "2013-07-14T16:43:13Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Irrationality is about as fundamental to the anti-gun folks as it is to the anti-nuclear power folks or anti-gay folks. They don’t give a shit about the facts, they know the TRUTH!!! > > Every expert on both sides of the debate that has opined on the subject of CCW has said that CCW presents no greater danger to the public than not having CCW. In fact they seem to think that CCWs are generally safer and less prone to crime than the general population. Before you ran into the irrational emotional anti gun people on these boards, you were claiming that CCW people didn’t engage in crime. Yeah, you’re eminently rational. Stupid bitch. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2516 "2013-07-14T16:53:02Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Just because your relatives are stupid doesn’t mean that you have to be too. Stupidity of that sort isn’t genetic. Short on humor today, are we? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2517 "2013-07-14T19:42:55Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Accident /= crime. There is usually an intent requirement or something close to it. So, he’s not going to be charged for a crime? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2518 "2013-07-14T20:27:53Z")
No degree of stupidity and recklessness is enough to lose the title of Law-Abiding Citizen. The little girl’s family are no doubt proud of the knowledge that they’ve helped preserve the precious Second Amendment Right To Kill for a bit longer. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2519 "2013-07-15T02:27:13Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Before you ran into the irrational emotional anti gun people on these boards, you were claiming that CCW people didn’t engage in crime. > > Yeah, you’re eminently rational. Stupid bitch. There’s got to be a latin phrase for what you are doing here. So I make a statement, you ask for a cite and I immediately realize how stupid the statement is and retract it. Then you go on to bring it up several times to impeach me. Is this why you have such a hard time admitting you are wrong on things you are so clearly wrong about? I can’t count the number of times you have asked for a cite, had it provided and then instead of admitting that you might be wrong, you just shut up about it from then on (at least you don’t keep asking for the same cite over and over again like Elvis). You’re just butthurt that you are wrong on something you clearly feel strongly about. All you have left at this point is digging up dead children to parade around and insults. You’re pathetic. > [@Ethilrist](#): > > So, he’s not going to be charged for a crime? I don’t know but an accident /=crime. It could be some form of criminal negligence but just because someone dies (even if its a little girl) doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2520 "2013-07-15T03:15:57Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > All you have left at this point is digging up dead children to parade around and insults. > You’re pathetic. > > I don’t know but an accident /=crime. It could be some form of criminal negligence but just because someone dies (even if its a little girl) doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. Sorry hon, but dead, innocent, children are a travesty by anyone’s (but yours) standards. And most likely having an automatic weapon in most states is illegal in and of itself. And using an automatic weapon as a crutch is ridiculous to every person in the free world except maybe you. Would you be saying the same thing if this dead child was you own? If you answer yes all I can reply is “YOU MONSTER”, yeah stole it from GLADOS. Oh and we don’t have to dig up dead children, you gun nuts are laying them out every damn day in plain site. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=125) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=127)