# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 129
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2561 "2013-07-18T20:09:54Z")
So what do you propose instead? Got anything for us? Or are you going to use your imagined slippery slope as an excuse for resisting anything and everything? ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2562 "2013-07-18T20:23:35Z")
What do I propose for what? Continuing to cut the murder rate? \*Continue to do what has worked very well at cutting the murder rate since 1970: remove lead paint from housing, keep abortion and contraception legal and available, intervene in domestic violence situations before they become homicides. \*Do everything we can to accelerate the trend away from using violence as childhood “discipline,” which is the surest way to create violent adults. The growing awareness of this fact has been a huge contributor to the existing downswing in murders, and really pushing it, especially into communities where the culture is currently nonreceptive to the idea, will go further. \*End the drug war that incentivizes gang violence. \*Fund mental health services better. Stop embracing insanity as “identity” and get people who are detached from reality into treatment whether they want to be or not. \*Take threats seriously. Every one of these mass shooters has told people exactly what they were going to do, but because we’re too focused on nonsense like gun laws, video games, and Marilyn Manson, posting detailed plans on the web of how you want to shoot up your high school gets ignored when reported to the police (or, in the case of Columbine, the FBI). Or, you know, abandon all of that and try to purge the 100 million Americans who own guns legally and have never shot anyone with them, because facts nuts and statistics nuts and empiricism nuts are running roughshod over your fantasies of starting a civil war. Whatever floats your boat. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2563 "2013-07-18T20:29:24Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Moi? Let’s see: You \*assert \*it, without support, and offer nothing of your own that you can claim \*would \*be effective. If we’re talking about, e.g., universal background checks, I think the burden of evidence is on the other side. If you think this would help, it’s up to you to show support for that claim. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Even you don’t think you have an actual proposal there, much less a realistic one, nor are you willing to lift a trigger finger to actually do anything about it. And what have you done to end the war on drugs today? > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > What’s that about hyperbolic strawmen? I’m simply pointing out to you the utter hollowness, both factually and morally, of your position. I call it pro-murder _because that’s what it is._ No, you call it pro-murder because you’ve turned off your brain. Same as the WBC folks shut out all reason and sanity so they can keep chanting “god hates fags” with a straight face. You don’t care about the facts or about my reasons for supporting the positions I do, and no explanation of them I can give will satisfy you. And I don’t mean satisfy as in you agree with the facts or accept my reasoning or conclusions – I mean you cannot even imagine any motivation for my beliefs besides a sociopathic desire to see children murdered. All you have is a moral outrage that comes from a fundamental misattribution, and you won’t let anything deprive you of that prejudice. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2564 "2013-07-18T20:29:46Z")
**CR** : Yeah, that’s what I thought. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2565 "2013-07-18T20:35:13Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > If we’re talking about, e.g., universal background checks, I think the burden of evidence is on the other side. If you think this would help, it’s up to you to show support for that claim. Excuses, excuses. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > And what have you done to end the war on drugs today? Diversions, diversions. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > You don’t care about the facts or about my reasons for supporting the positions I do Wrong. I care deeply, and I understand them better than you do yourself. Scary thought, innit? > [@](#): > > I mean you cannot even imagine any motivation for my beliefs besides a sociopathic desire to see children murdered. You haven’t been paying attention. No, I don’t think you want people murdered. But you \*are \*willing to accept their deaths as the price of you keeping your binkies. That is not the sign of a healthy mind. > [@](#): > > All you have is a moral outrage that comes from a fundamental misattribution, and you won’t let anything deprive you of that prejudice. The misattribution is yours alone. The moral outrage comes from a “prejudice” against murder that is shared by civilized societies universally, with the exception of their psychopathic members. You don’t have a defensible argument to make on that point, but it’s not surprising that you don’t realize it - you literally _can’t._ ---
**Author:** ![Condescending\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2566 "2013-07-18T20:36:35Z")
I’m glad you thought that I had a detailed, fact-based plan for addressing the murder rate, firmly rooted in empirical fact about what has worked to this point and not limited to either “conservative” or “liberal” dogmas, and I’m happy that you gave me the chance to confirm that your thoughts were correct! ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2567 "2013-07-18T20:38:00Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Amazing, isn’t it? In his world, his side’s filibuster against Manchin-Toomey is the fault of its _proponents for making his side feel butthurt about something that wasn’t even it_. He’s \*proud \*of that, too. And he still claims facts are critically important. :rolleyes: > > Most people give up the “Now look what you made me do!” excuse after the age of seven or so. And most people set aside their security binkies even earlier. Hey, you didn’t make ME do it, I never wanted to kill the background check at gun shows, I thought it was a meaningless fig leaf for the gun control types, so they wouldn’t feel like such losers. The NRA wanted to kill it, they want to kill just about any gun control you can think of and if that makes you look like a loser its only icing on the cake. In January (after Wayne LaPierre’s crazy speech) they didn’t have the power to stop something like the Manchin Toomey bill, they were looking at real and significant gun control. Fortunately for them, people like you outcrazied the NRA gave the NRA the power and the credibility to shut down even the mildest forms of gun control after your ignorance and idiocy on this issue were displayed for all to see (See AWB). You are the NRA’s greatest allies. But keep doing what you are doing, keep vilifying gun ownership and people who believe in gun rights. If you do it loudly enough I bet Hillary will start going on hunting trips with Democratic congressmen and senators from swing states between now and 2016. Hell, they might even go hunting with those assault weapons you’re so afraid of. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2568 "2013-07-18T20:51:41Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Excuses, excuses. :rolleyes: You can’t excuse yourself from the burden of proof, mate. It’s stuff like this that makes you pure poison to your own side. You discredit them by mere association. **Damuri Ajashi** and **Condescending Robot** are exactly right when they say that it’s people like you who made it so easy for the NRA to sink Manchin-Toomey. You want a place at the table? Stop acting batshit crazy. There’s enough batshit crazy on the pro-gun side as it is without you legitimizing it. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Diversions, diversions. :rolleyes: Uh huh. So you can call me out for not personally stumping for change on the floor of the senate, but the moment I ask you the same question, it’s a diversion? There’s only one diversion here, and it’s you basically wearing your underpants on your head in this debate. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The misattribution is yours alone. The moral outrage comes from a “prejudice” against murder that is shared by civilized societies universally, with the exception of their psychopathic members. You don’t have a defensible argument to make on that point, but it’s not surprising that you don’t realize it - you literally _can’t._ Your tactic here is to beg the question of what the causes and effective prophylactics for murder are, and then pretend that the social distaste for unnecessary death (which is of course shared by everyone present) therefore supports your side. This is logical bollocks, especially since you can’t provide any evidence that the recent gun control platforms would actually do anything to help. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2569 "2013-07-19T13:35:28Z")
I note that Damuri Ajashi’s reply to repeated requests that he support his assertions in some way have resulted in “do a Google search” and “what do you want, research?” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2570 "2013-07-19T14:38:58Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I note that Damuri Ajashi’s reply to repeated requests that he support his assertions in some way have resulted in “do a Google search” and “what do you want, research?” And his fellow psychopath, Stealth Potato, can do nothing other than demand that anyone who wishes to discuss anything that makes him feel uncomfortable do all the work for him, while he relieves himself of any responsibility whatever. Nothing can be allowed to interfere with their desperate need to suck their binkies, not even death itself. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2571 "2013-07-19T23:40:08Z")
This just in: Centers For Disease Control report says armed victims of crime suffer fewer injuries than unarmed victims: [http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent](http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2572 "2013-07-19T23:46:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns … From the cite above What do you think the word “actual” means in this context? Suggests to me an awareness that the statistics on defensive gun use are open to question, no? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2573 "2013-07-20T00:12:26Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I note that Damuri Ajashi’s reply to repeated requests that he support his assertions in some way have resulted in “do a Google search” and “what do you want, research?” Will you shut the fuck up if I do your googling for you? [http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ccw+safer+than+general+public](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ccw+safer+than+general+public) And I think this [http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article\_ID=9928](http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=9928) might be the source of my earlier erroneous statement that seems to be the linchpin of your arguments against me. Of course there is a chance that Texas and Florida CCWs are not representative of CCWs across the country but the disparity is so large that I don’t think it would be on you to prove why the results would be so different elsewhere in the country. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2574 "2013-07-20T00:19:36Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I note that Damuri Ajashi’s reply to repeated requests that he support his assertions in some way have resulted in “do a Google search” and “what do you want, research?” > [@elucidator](#): > > From the cite above > > What do you think the word “actual” means in this context? Suggests to me an awareness that the statistics on defensive gun use are open to question, no? I think it expresses an awareness that some idiots are going to wave away any use of the term defensive gun use. We literally had people on this board who wanted to compare justifiable homicides against all gun deaths. How fucking retarded is that? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2575 "2013-07-21T19:37:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Will you shut the fuck up if I do your googling for you? > > [http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ccw+safer+than+general+public](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ccw+safer+than+general+public) **Damuri Ajashi** , that is called a Google vomit, and is a sure sign that someone is full of shit and is just pulling stuff from their ass. For instance, I can just as easily do this: [http://lmgtfy.com/?q=concealed+carry+NOT+safer+than+general+public](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=concealed+carry+NOT+safer+than+general+public) This [study](http://www.vpc.org/studies/wherown.htm) provides some evidence about the relative safety of CCW people: > [@](#): > > License to Kill: Arrests Involving Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders, Susan Glick, MHS, Violence Policy Center, Washington, DC, January 1998, 24 pages > > Key Statistics: From January 1, 1996 to October 9, 1997 Texas concealed handgun license holders were arrested for 946 crimes. Of these, 263 were felony arrests, including: six charges of murder or attempted murder involving at least four deaths; two charges of kidnapping; 18 charges of sexual assault; 66 charges of assault, including 48 cases of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon; and, 42 weapon-related charges. Six-hundred eighty-three were misdemeanor arrests, including: 194 weapon-related charges and 215 instances of driving while intoxicated. In the first six months of 1997 (the most recent complete data set available), **the weapon-related arrest rate among Texas concealed handgun license holders was more than twice as high as that of the general population of Texas aged 21 and older.** Here’s more information about CCW people: > **[Think Concealed Carry Makes You Safe? Think Again!](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/think-concealed-carry-makes_b_3479380)** > > States began loosening conceal carry laws, says the Institute, in 1996 when the executive director of the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action told lawmakers, "these citizens don't commit violent crimes." There was just one... > [@](#): > > A staggering 1,400 people licensed for conceal carry in Florida have pleaded guilty or no contest to felonies, the Gainsville Sun reported upon reviewing records. Two hundred and sixteen had outstanding warrants, 128 had active domestic violence injunctions and six were registered sex offenders. Are these the “good guys”? > > In nearly 80 percent of 300 deadly incidents, “the concealed carry killer has already been convicted (126), committed suicide (167), or was killed in the incident (seven),” says the Violence Policy Institute. “Of the 67 cases still pending, the vast majority (55) of concealed carry killers have been charged with criminal homicide, four were deemed incompetent to stand trial, and eight incidents are still under investigation.” > > […] > > Commensurate with the bully personality, conceal carriers have a high fear level and are afraid to go the same places normal, unarmed people go every day. They want to carry in national parks, on trains, near schools and in gun free zones to protect against the omnipresent “bad guys.” Yet, in at least 500 recent shootings, the conceal carriers are the bad guys. So, in short, I’ve conducted another Google search using “Let me Google that for you” that contains [some key conclusions](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Go+fuck+yourself+Damuri+Ajashi.+%20You%27re+a+moron+AND+a+pussy). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2576 "2013-07-22T15:39:56Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > **Damuri Ajashi** , that is called a Google vomit, and is a sure sign that someone is full of shit and is just pulling stuff from their ass. Or its a sure sign that the information is so fucking easy to get that it is worth making fun of you for pretending that the information is hard to find. > [@](#): > > For instance, I can just as easily do this: > > [http://lmgtfy.com/?q=concealed+carry+NOT+safer+than+general+public](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=concealed+carry+NOT+safer+than+general+public) Yes and the first half dozen hit on your google search seems to agree with me that concealed carry is actually safer than the general public. > [@](#): > > While these crimes are often firearm-related (including unlawful carry), a 3-year study of Texas crime statistics immediately following passage of CHL legislation found that the most common crime committed by CHL holders that would be grounds for revocation was actually DUI, followed by unlawful carry and then aggravated assault. The same study concluded that Texas CHL holders were always less likely to commit any particular type of crime than the general population, and overall were 13 times less likely to commit any crime.[10] -wikipedia [Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States) > [@](#): > > There is no proof to support the idea that concealed-carry permit holders create more violence in society than would otherwise occur; they may, in fact, reduce it. According to Adam Winkler, a law professor at UCLA and the author of Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, permit holders in the U.S. commit crimes at a rate lower than that of the general population. “We don’t see much bloodshed from concealed-carry permit holders, because they are law-abiding people,” Winkler said. “That’s not to say that permit holders don’t commit crimes, but they do so at a lower rate than the general population. People who seek to obtain permits are likely to be people who respect the law.” According to John Lott, an economist and a gun-rights advocate who maintains that gun ownership by law-abiding citizens helps curtail crime, the crime rate among concealed-carry permit holders is lower than the crime rate among police officers. -The Atlantic > **[The Case for More Guns (and More Gun Control)](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/12/the-case-for-more-guns-and-more-gun-control/309161/?single_page=true)** > > How do we reduce gun crime and Aurora-style mass shootings when Americans already own nearly 300 million firearms? Maybe by allowing more people to carry them. > **[The case for gun rights is stronger than you think | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/opinion/bennett-gun-rights)** > > William Bennett says having armed and trained people could help protect schools and other vulnerable places from gun violence And while there is no causal link that concealed carry is the reason crime rates have gone down in places that have adopted concealed carry laws, there is no evidence that adopting concealed carry leads to more violence. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/do-concealed-weapon-laws-result-in-less-crime/2012/12/16/e80a5d7e-47c9-11e2-ad54-580638ede391\_blog.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/do-concealed-weapon-laws-result-in-less-crime/2012/12/16/e80a5d7e-47c9-11e2-ad54-580638ede391_blog.html) > [@](#): > > This [study](http://www.vpc.org/studies/wherown.htm) provides some evidence about the relative safety of CCW people: So there was a 6 month period in the late 1990’s when the weapons related arrest rate was higher than the genreal public? I will assume that is true. In your mind what do you think of when you hear weapons related arrest rate? Do you think the guy shot someone or do you think the guy was carrying somewhere he wasn’t supposed to be carrying like a school or post office? > [@](#): > > Here’s more information about CCW people: > > [Think Concealed Carry Makes You Safe? Think Again! | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martha-rosenberg/think-concealed-carry-makes_b_3479380.html) Thats a pretty laughable opinion peice, don’t you think? > [@](#): > > So, in short, I’ve conducted another Google search using “Let me Google that for you” that contains [some key conclusions](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Go+fuck+yourself+Damuri+Ajashi.+%20You%27re+a+moron+AND+a+pussy). And THAT is basically what your arguments amount to. You are right and anyone that disagres with you is a poopyhead especially when they make you look stupid. So you still got a hardon for that AWB? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2577 "2013-07-22T17:27:33Z")
> [@](#): > > Commensurate with the bully personality, conceal carriers have a high fear level and are afraid to go the same places normal, unarmed people go every day. They want to carry in national parks, on trains, near schools and in gun free zones to protect against the omnipresent “bad guys.” THIS again?? Gun owners and carriers are not only yahoos, they’re cowardly paranoid yahoos? :rolleyes: More straw men than the county fair’s scarecrow contest. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2578 "2013-07-23T21:42:23Z")
> [@](#): > > A Tennessee woman is facing felony reckless endangerment charges after she allegedly fired multiple times and hit a car full of children that she thought was going to turn around in her driveway. [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/23/tennessee-woman-fires-shots-at-kid-filled-car-near-her-driveway/](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/23/tennessee-woman-fires-shots-at-kid-filled-car-near-her-driveway/) Can we take her guns away now? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2579 "2013-07-23T22:41:24Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/23/tennessee-woman-fires-shots-at-kid-filled-car-near-her-driveway/](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/23/tennessee-woman-fires-shots-at-kid-filled-car-near-her-driveway/) > > Can we take her guns away now? Yes, if she’s convicted of the felony charges. Irresponsible or criminal use of guns is a valid reason for someone’s right to own guns to be forfeited. Gun owners just don’t believe in prior restraint except in the most exceptional circumstances. Of course to hear some tell it, the general public shouldn’t be allowed to run with scissors let alone own guns. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2580 "2013-07-23T23:24:14Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Gun owners just don’t believe in prior restraint except in the most exceptional circumstances. Yes, somebody has to die before the guns can be taken away from someone who suddenly stopped being a “law abiding citizen” (that phrase does NOT help you people, btw). And the “exceptional circumstances” never seem to exist. > [@](#): > > Of course to hear some tell it, the general public shouldn’t be allowed to run with scissors let alone own guns. There’s a difference. The scissors will only hurt the carrier. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=128) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=130)