# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 133
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2641 "2013-08-02T18:07:14Z")
And he \*still \*is yammering nonstop about the AWB, like an untreated OCD patient, \*still \*claiming that his side’s efforts to stop Manchin-Toomey, which would have done what he \*claims \*he wants done but was \*not \*an AWB, was actually its proponents’ fault! His ability to fantasize even includes that. And it is not the mark of someone mentally healthy enough to be permitted even to look at a gun. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2642 "2013-08-02T18:26:07Z")
I should have added that he isn’t even bothering to support his claims even that far, when bloviating about how and why the AWB and Manchin-Toomey bills got defeated. No news reports, no commentary, not even some other guy on the Internet. Nothing, just his imagined butthurt. But remember, this is a guy for whom tens of thousands of deaths are an excusable and rationalizable abstraction at best, while the jackboots of tyranny are a real threat. That syndrome would be laughable if it weren’t so common and so rarely treated. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2643 "2013-08-02T18:33:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > But remember, this is a guy for whom tens of thousands of deaths Are you referring to people killed by firearms? That doesn’t bother me as long as when the guys Mrs. Plant was to testify against come through the door, at 5’ tall I have something to shoot them with. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2644 "2013-08-02T18:40:30Z")
It’s more likely something that can be grabbed away and used \*against \*you. Have you thought this out, practiced some tactics etc., or is this another case of compensatory fantasizing? Yes, no doubt there are legitimate cases of successful defensive gun use. But the numbers of deaths from gun use are far, far greater. Now, what then should a responsible society do? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2645 "2013-08-02T18:43:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yes, no doubt there are legitimate cases of successful defensive gun use. But the numbers of deaths from gun use are far, far greater. Now, what then should a responsible society do? Hm, be sure every one knows how to shoot safely and accurately, so that folks won’t break into homes knowing that they could become shot? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2646 "2013-08-02T18:54:35Z")
Death is a more serious matter than that to some of us. Kindly indulge us, if you can. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2647 "2013-08-02T18:59:11Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Death is a more serious matter than that to some of us. Kindly indulge us, if you can. I’ll do my best 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2648 "2013-08-02T19:03:19Z")
Smileys don’t help your case. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2649 "2013-08-02T19:10:16Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Smileys don’t help your case. I’m not trying to persuade you, I’m indicating a friendly difference of opinion rather than a brawl. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2650 "2013-08-02T19:59:45Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s more likely something that can be grabbed away and used \*against \*you. No problem; if they grab my gun away from me, then they’ll have the gun, so I’ll grab it away from them. 😛 Honestly, “they’ll just grab your gun away from you” is the most retarded anti-gun argument I’ve ever heard. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2651 "2013-08-02T20:05:21Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > No problem; if they grab my gun away from me, then they’ll have the gun, so I’ll grab it away from them. 😛 > > Honestly, “they’ll just grab your gun away from you” is the most retarded anti-gun argument I’ve ever heard. 🙂 Thank you, Lumpy. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2652 "2013-08-02T20:22:23Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > No problem; if they grab my gun away from me, then they’ll have the gun, so I’ll grab it away from them. 😛 > > Honestly, “they’ll just grab your gun away from you” is the most retarded anti-gun argument I’ve ever heard. Says the guy who isn’t 5’1. And is ignorant of all the times exactly that happens. And if _that’s_ the worst anti-gun argument you’ve ever heard, maybe it’s time to reconsider your position, hoss. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2653 "2013-08-02T20:31:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Says the guy who isn’t 5’1. And is ignorant of all the times exactly that happens. Some people think a firearm is a magic wand that makes people do what you tell them. Of course, it most certainly is not. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2654 "2013-08-02T21:10:54Z")
True. It’s more of a Wand of Enlargement, which magically turns douchebags into bigger douchebags. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2655 "2013-08-02T21:16:00Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > True. It’s more of a Wand of Enlargement, which magically turns douchebags into bigger douchebags. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2656 "2013-08-02T21:19:52Z")
Saying shit like that is what makes politicians vote against reasonable gun control laws that everyone supports. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2657 "2013-08-03T02:41:05Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Saying shit like that is what makes politicians vote against reasonable gun control laws that everyone supports. Run that by again? That was just a tacky remark on a message board, not serious debate. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2013, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2658 "2013-08-03T03:48:30Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > This [Florida based CCW gun-owner](http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/8/1/fight_between_neighb.html?hpt=ju_bn4)has failed to learn anything from the Zimmerman case. If he would have just killed the vicious thugs attacking him, everything would have been fine. This is an excellent example of why the Stand Your Ground law is both idiotic and badly applied–it DOES seem that you’re more likely to go to jail in Florida for attempting to intimidate your way out of a fight than by actually opening fire with intent to harm, and that’s completely fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2659 "2013-08-03T18:30:03Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Run that by again? > That was just a tacky remark on a message board, not serious debate. If our elected leaders are really that sensitive, I pray they never discover the Snackpit. Government as we know it would collapse. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2660 "2013-08-07T04:39:19Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Everyone should be mindful of the fact that Damuri Ajashi’s evidence re: CCW safety was an write up of Texas data by some guy on the internet. That’s it. > > His other evidence consists of quotes from a lawyer in LA and from Bill Bennett. He considers this evidence. > > Just so we’re all clear on what’s being asserted. If you have a problem with the cites then explain your objection if your problem is that some of my cites are gun nuts then I suspect that there are a few of your cites from gun grabbers. BTW, some of my cites include the violence policy center and the department of justice. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And he \*still \*is yammering nonstop about the AWB, like an untreated OCD patient, \*still \*claiming that his side’s efforts to stop Manchin-Toomey, which would have done what he \*claims \*he wants done but was \*not \*an AWB, was actually its proponents’ fault! > > His ability to fantasize even includes that. And it is not the mark of someone mentally healthy enough to be permitted even to look at a gun. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I should have added that he isn’t even bothering to support his claims even that far, when bloviating about how and why the AWB and Manchin-Toomey bills got defeated. No news reports, no commentary, not even some other guy on the Internet. Nothing, just his imagined butthurt. > > But remember, this is a guy for whom tens of thousands of deaths are an excusable and rationalizable abstraction at best, while the jackboots of tyranny are a real threat. That syndrome would be laughable if it weren’t so common and so rarely treated. We had this debate in great debates and I was not the only one who thought you guys fucked yourselves raw with the AWB. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s more likely something that can be grabbed away and used \*against \*you. Have you thought this out, practiced some tactics etc., or is this another case of compensatory fantasizing? > > Yes, no doubt there are legitimate cases of successful defensive gun use. But the numbers of deaths from gun use are far, far greater. Now, what then should a responsible society do? 350, 000 defensive gun uses per year versus 700 accidental gun deaths and at most 5000 gun murders every year. > [@Lumpy](#): > > No problem; if they grab my gun away from me, then they’ll have the gun, so I’ll grab it away from them. 😛 > > Honestly, “they’ll just grab your gun away from you” is the most retarded anti-gun argument I’ve ever heard. That’s a pretty high hurdle. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard dumber anti gun arguments… this week. > [@Zeriel](#): > > This is an excellent example of why the Stand Your Ground law is both idiotic and badly applied–it DOES seem that you’re more likely to go to jail in Florida for attempting to intimidate your way out of a fight than by actually opening fire with intent to harm, and that’s completely fucked up. - 1 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=132) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=134)