# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 149
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2961 "2013-09-16T02:55:27Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > The general gun proponent you, not the you you. > > Good thing I didn’t make that equivalency. No doubt there are thoughtful gun proponents, but they still tend to vote lock step against all gun regs, just on principle. At least when polled, some of them _say_ they are for “reasonable” gun regs. It’s a start. Maybe. Like I’ve said before, if they had started with something a bit less retarded than an AWB, they might have gotten somewhere, instead they showcased their ignorance and irrational fear of guns and people said “fuck it, these guys are never going to be satisfied until they take away our guns” When you make someone like Dianne Feinstein the face of your gun platform, you aren’t going to get 60 senators to support anything. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2962 "2013-09-16T04:10:02Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > The general gun proponent you, not the you you. > > Good thing I didn’t make that equivalency. Well, a random anti-gunner made it in this thread, and I thought based on your previous post that we were ascribing random positions to people based on what we perceive their ideological allies think. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2963 "2013-09-16T13:13:58Z")
[**Active Shooter at Washington Navy Yard, Reports of Multiple Shots Fired**](http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3428238/events/1982560) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2964 "2013-09-16T13:41:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Like I’ve said before, if they had started with something a bit less retarded than an AWB, they might have gotten somewhere, instead they showcased their ignorance and irrational fear of guns and people said “fuck it, these guys are never going to be satisfied until they take away our guns” When you make someone like Dianne Feinstein the face of your gun platform, you aren’t going to get 60 senators to support anything. Amazing how there doesn’t seem to be any corroboration for that view out in the real world - no news stories, no quotes from any politicians, no commentary even - just as if \*\*Damuri \*\*is simply repeating what the voices in his head tell him. But no, _he’s_ the sane one and the \*rest \*of the world is mad. 😛 Or maybe he’s still hoping that somebody else will buy into the shit he’s making up, hoping for the voices in his head to have some company, even if it’s from another untreated mentally ill person. And the mentally ill should not be permitted to possess guns, so we keep hearing. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2965 "2013-09-16T14:40:29Z")
[**Police say three shooters, including at least one in fatigues, have shot at least 10 people at the Washington Navy Yard.**](http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-search-for-active-shooter-on-grounds-of-washington-navy-yard-in-southeast-dc/2013/09/16/b1d72b9a-1ecb-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2966 "2013-09-16T15:29:10Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Amazing how there doesn’t seem to be any corroboration for that view out in the real world - no news stories, no quotes from any politicians, no commentary even - just as if \*\*Damuri \*\*is simply repeating what the voices in his head tell him. But no, _he’s_ the sane one and the \*rest \*of the world is mad. 😛 > > Or maybe he’s still hoping that somebody else will buy into the shit he’s making up, hoping for the voices in his head to have some company, even if it’s from another untreated mentally ill person. And the mentally ill should not be permitted to possess guns, so we keep hearing. We’ve had this conversation in great debates and I’m not the only one that feels this way. [Gun control post mortem debate - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=690710) Sure some people thought that even a watered down bill like Manchin Toomey (which would not only be ineffective but barely an inconconvenience) never had a chance. if this is true, then this bodes ill for your side. If you cannot pass one of the most ineffective, watered down bills on gun control I have ever seen in my life after Newtown (the most tragically heart-wrenching massacre I’ve seen in my life) because of the NRA or something like that, then you might as well pack it up and go home because you are never going to get any sort of gun control from here on out. Maybe you’re right and Newtown didn’t present an opportunity to pass even the most watered down gun legislation that two pro-gun legislators could come up with as a fig leaf to the gun grabbers but if Newtown didn’t provide that sort of opportunity, I don’t know what would. Seriously, if you are saying that there was nothing you could have done better or differently to make a diffeence, then you might as well pack it up and go home because you are out of your league. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2967 "2013-09-16T16:08:16Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > [**Police say three shooters, including at least one in fatigues, have shot at least 10 people at the Washington Navy Yard.**](http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-search-for-active-shooter-on-grounds-of-washington-navy-yard-in-southeast-dc/2013/09/16/b1d72b9a-1ecb-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html) I hear it’s up to 12. \*\*Damuri \*\*, you know how we’re going to get gun control? We’re going to wait for more of the above incident. There will be more. And more. And more. And more. Then we will pass quick, knee-jerk gun controls and you will lose. This is how you will lose because you vote lock-step against any and all gun regulations. We’re going to take the decision-making process out of your hands. We will ignore the NRA’s whining. Yes, some of the laws will be quick and knee-jerk and who knows? Maybe even a bit “draconian.” Oh well. Don’t say I didn’t warn you. Can you stop mass murders? No. Do you even want to? No. Alrighty then. You aren’t going to have much choice in the matter, if you can’t play nice. You have only yourself to blame. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2968 "2013-09-16T16:16:00Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > We’ve had this conversation in great debates and I’m not the only one that feels this way. [Gun control post mortem debate - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=690710) Show me a post, not a whole damn thread that you claim says something. Better yet, something like an actual quote from an actual politician involved. Or you could simply stop listening to the voices in your head. > [@](#): > > If you cannot pass one of the most ineffective, watered down bills on gun control I have ever seen in my life \*Which you fucking opposed, psychopath. \* It was stifled by filibuster because of you and other psychopaths like you. No argument or discussion or plea would have worked on you because nothing _can_. Get help. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2969 "2013-09-16T20:03:04Z")
[Aaron Alexis held a legal Texas concealed carry permit](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/2013/09/16/police-responding-reported-shooter-navy-yard/g1EytWmP3pruo7fpVbMkjI/story.html) despite a criminal record. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2970 "2013-09-16T21:34:24Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [Aaron Alexis held a legal Texas concealed carry permit](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/2013/09/16/police-responding-reported-shooter-navy-yard/g1EytWmP3pruo7fpVbMkjI/story.html) despite a criminal record. More than adequate voter ID in Texas. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2971 "2013-09-16T21:37:53Z")
[http://www.theonion.com/articles/location-of-newest-mass-shooting-revealed,33877/?utm\_source=Facebook&utm\_medium=SocialMarketing&utm\_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default](http://www.theonion.com/articles/location-of-newest-mass-shooting-revealed,33877/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default) **Location Of Newest Mass Shooting Revealed** _It’s A Navy Yard, Authorities Confirm_ > [@](#): > > “I can only speculate, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the next mass shooting happens in an amusement park, or an Apple store, or even an apple orchard in Salem. Who the hell even knows anymore? Maybe it’ll be in a supermarket parking lot because we haven’t had one of those in a while. Either way, I’m sure the location of the next mass shooting will be revealed in due time. Thank you.” The Onion getting a bit bitter. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2972 "2013-09-16T21:52:23Z")
Gun free zone fail. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2973 "2013-09-16T23:13:41Z")
> [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](#): > > Gun free zone fail. Closed circuit video reveals the gunman a killed security officer with a shotgun, took his 9mm handgun, and may have attacked a first responder and [taken his assault rifle](http://www.examiner.com/article/navy-yard-shooting-reports-fast-first-and-frequently-fouled-up): > [@](#): > > Jackie Bensen, a reporter with the local NBC affiliate, seemed to go the extra mile to learn the details about how Alexis was armed. Her sources, apparently reviewing security videos, reportedly said he had a shotgun with which he shot a security guard. He took the guard’s 9mm service pistol and a spare magazine, then hid in the building and apparently opened fire on the first response team, wounding one officer in the legs. It is not clear from that point whether the gunman had a semi-auto rifle with him, or he retrieved a rifle dropped by the officer he shot. The only thing that stops a good guy with a gun is bad guy with a gun, and the element of surprise. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2974 "2013-09-16T23:16:20Z")
Fort Hood, the Washington Navy Yard, even the fucking _military bases_ aren’t safe from the gunslingers. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2975 "2013-09-16T23:22:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Fort Hood, the Washington Navy Yard, even the fucking _military bases_ aren’t safe from the gunslingers. They would be safer if there were gun grabbers. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2976 "2013-09-16T23:24:28Z")
When guns are outlawed only police and security officers will have guns. And the people who kill them. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2977 "2013-09-16T23:25:10Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Fort Hood, the Washington Navy Yard, even the fucking _military bases_ aren’t safe from the gunslingers. If only open carry were legal on military bases, this whole tragedy could have been prevented! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2013, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2978 "2013-09-16T23:33:41Z")
If the number of “good guys with guns” _on a military base_ can’t stop a massacre by a determined gun nut, then can the other gun nuts (er, excuse me, “law-abiding citizens”) who so love to offer that fatuous claim \*please \*drop it? In the name of simple decency, at least, for God’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2979 "2013-09-17T00:08:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > If the number of “good guys with guns” _on a military base_ can’t stop a massacre by a determined gun nut, then can the other gun nuts (er, excuse me, “law-abiding citizens”) who so love to offer that fatuous claim \*please \*drop it? In the name of simple decency, at least, for God’s sake. You’re a fucking idiot. Cops (military and civilian) shot and killed him. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2013, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/2980 "2013-09-17T00:12:37Z")
Other reports refute the claim that he had a criminal record in Texas. From the L.A. Times: > [@](#): > > [On Sept. 5, 2010, he was arrested in Fort Worth on suspicion of discharging a weapon. Alexis reportedly told officials that the gun had discharged accidentally when he was cleaning it. The Tarrant County district attorney did not prosecute.](http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-washington-navy-yard-shootings-20130916,0,6137381.story) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=148) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=150)