# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 157
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3121 "2013-10-01T23:09:10Z")
“Kathryn was with a group of friends. No one was hurt and nothing was stolen.” Right. If that was a gun, I’m Calamity Jane. > [@Lumpy](#): > > In fact, the argument could be made that gun control is a band-aid (and not a particularly effective one) over the gaping wound of our social problems. It’s an entertaining stream of consciousness but I’m a little lost, are you still talking about minority street gangs or high school kids or navy contractors? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3122 "2013-10-02T09:00:32Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Aaaand THERE it is. Gun nuts are racists. These sort of things are the heart and soul of the gun grabber argument. Not all “gun nuts” are racists but it’s an unsubtle undercurrent in a lot of gun-rights discussions. Hell, it’s even been mentioned in this thread. Do me a favor and let’s not pretend that the “gun grabbers” are making this up out of nothing, because it sure as hell exists. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3123 "2013-10-02T12:28:32Z")
> **[Forget Paula Deeen, Let’s Look at the NRA’s Racism | Dissident Voice](https://dissidentvoice.org/2013/07/forget-paula-deeen-lets-look-at-the-nras-racism/)** > > The revelation that Paula Deen used the N word has cooked the celebrity chef. She has been dropped more times than an ATT&T phone call, as the joke goes. Target, the Home Depot, Wal-Mart, Sears, Kmart, JC Penney, Walgreens, Caesars Palace,... > [@Gyrate](#): > > Not all “gun nuts” are racists but it’s an unsubtle undercurrent in a lot of gun-rights discussions. Hell, it’s even been mentioned in this thread. Do me a favor and let’s not pretend that the “gun grabbers” are making this up out of nothing, because it sure as hell exists. You can never really get the images from the NRAs Freedom in Peril brochure out of your head. (See above link; click through for the whole thing. ) If you haven’t seen it before, you have to check it out. Of course there’s the darkies, but there’s also the heroic man defending his woman and child in their home while the apocalypse happens outside. These are some scared little fat fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3124 "2013-10-02T14:46:11Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Not all “gun nuts” are racists but it’s an unsubtle undercurrent in a lot of gun-rights discussions. Hell, it’s even been mentioned in this thread. Do me a favor and let’s not pretend that the “gun grabbers” are making this up out of nothing, because it sure as hell exists. I’ve always thought gun control activists were racists. They don’t seem to care as much if well-to-do white people have have guns locked in their expensive safes at home and take them out to shoot for sport or even carry them for defense if they have passed an expensive training course and bought a permit. What they especially don’t like is the idea of blacks and mexicans having guns. At least that’s the undercurrent in gun-control discussions. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3125 "2013-10-02T15:41:45Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I’ve always thought gun control activists were racists. They don’t seem to care as much if well-to-do white people have have guns locked in their expensive safes at home and take them out to shoot for sport or even carry them for defense if they have passed an expensive training course and bought a permit. What they especially don’t like is the idea of blacks and mexicans having guns. > > At least that’s the undercurrent in gun-control discussions. Ooh, the false equivalence gambit. A bold move, especially since you’ve just been given a few cites for the gun nut-racist linkage. But I’m sure you can provide similar cites for your case of a non-anal-extracted variety. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3126 "2013-10-02T16:01:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Ooh, the false equivalence gambit. A bold move, especially since you’ve just been given a few cites for the gun nut-racist linkage. But I’m sure you can provide similar cites for your case of a non-anal-extracted variety. A leftist slam piece on the NRA is a cite? Don’t make me laugh. The NRA wants to arm everybody remember? You could read your side’s famous Kellerman paper and see how he points out that just being a minority is highly associated with gun violence, but he does not play that aspect up. It’s more the “undercurrent.” Personally, I shoot with minority friends every weekend, my guess is you libs think they should all be playing midnight basketball or something. I’d be happy to invite you out and see. It could be a shorter version of Morgan Spurlock’s 30 days. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3127 "2013-10-02T16:36:28Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > A leftist slam piece on the NRA is a cite? Don’t make me laugh. It’s more than what you’re offering. > [@](#): > > The NRA wants to arm everybody remember? You could read your side’s famous Kellerman paper and see how he points out that just being a minority is highly associated with gun violence, but he does not play that aspect up. It’s more the “undercurrent.” Well that’s a nice non-sequitur. What’s it got to do with anything I said? > [@](#): > > Personally, I shoot with minority friends every weekend, my guess is you libs think they should all be playing midnight basketball or something. I’d be happy to invite you out and see. It could be a shorter version of Morgan Spurlock’s 30 days. And again, apart from the amusement gained from the “Some of my best friends are black people” approach I fail to see how this has anything to do with my argument. I did not at any point say that all gun owners are racist nor that no black people are responsible gun owners. But we’ve already established earlier in this thread that you prefer to argue with the voices in your head rather than with what people here have actually said. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3128 "2013-10-02T16:42:52Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s more than what you’re offering. It is the NRAs own literature, by the way. No lefties forced them to be so obviously racist in their own brochure. > [@](#): > > Well that’s a nice non-sequitur. What’s it got to do with anything I said? It’s also complete bullshit and racist to boot. > [@](#): > > And again, apart from the amusement gained from the “Some of my best friends are black people” approach I fail to see how this has anything to do with my argument. That was the best part! This twat has no idea what he sounds like, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3129 "2013-10-02T16:48:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s more than what you’re offering. I referred you to your sides research. > [@](#): > > Well that’s a nice non-sequitur. What’s it got to do with anything I said? Your side’s racist, that’s all. Not everyone but at least that’s the “undercurrent.” > [@](#): > > And again, apart from the amusement gained from the “Some of my best friends are black people” approach I fail to see how this has anything to do with my argument. I just thought I would give you an opportunity to meet some of my friends, who are safe minority shooters, rather than just hear about it. Also I might hope to dispel some racist stereotypes your side has. > [@](#): > > I did not at any point say that all gun owners are racist nor that no black people are responsible gun owners. Of course you didn’t, it was just an “unsubtle undercurrent” that I was able to pick up on. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3130 "2013-10-02T16:50:23Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It’s also complete bullshit and racist to boot. > > That was the best part! This twat has no idea what he sounds like, apparently. I was rather surprised that in a post intended to indicate that I’m racist and he’s not he discussed a study about how minorities are highly linked with gun violence (which may or may not be true but which is both irrelevant and questionable as a choice of argument when we’re talking about perception of minorities) and apparently how I think that black people all play midnight basketball. It’s like he’s created a racist liberal strawman but he’s built it out of straw from his own head. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3131 "2013-10-02T16:54:33Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I referred you to your sides research. “My side’s research”? > [@](#): > > Your side’s racist, that’s all. Not everyone but at least that’s the “undercurrent.” Go ahead and just type “no u” - it’ll save you time. > [@](#): > > I just thought I would give you an opportunity to meet some of my friends, who are safe minority shooters, rather than just hear about it. Also I might hope to dispel some racist stereotypes your side has. You mean the racist stereotype that you presented? > [@](#): > > Of course you didn’t, it was just an “unsubtle undercurrent” that I was able to pick up on. Voices in your head again. Ted Nugent using the N-word repeatedly, Lumpy “keeping an eye on” black guys with guns, NRA literature presenting minority gangs as a threat the white homeowner protecting his wife and child - that’s “unsubtle”. What you present? That’s “imaginary”. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3132 "2013-10-02T17:09:59Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I was rather surprised that in a post intended to indicate that I’m racist and he’s not he discussed a study about how minorities are highly linked with gun violence (which may or may not be true but which is both irrelevant and questionable as a choice of argument when we’re talking about perception of minorities) and apparently how I think that black people all play midnight basketball. > > It’s like he’s created a racist liberal strawman but he’s built it out of straw from his own head. Well, Kellermann has more than one study, but there is one in particular that Kable has proven to be particularly retarded about, so I’m guessing it is that one. And of course, the authors and the data say nothing like what Kable suggests. It is a figment of a racist imagination. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3133 "2013-10-02T17:12:00Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “My side’s research”? > Go ahead and just type “no u” - it’ll save you time. > You mean the racist stereotype that you presented? Voices in your head again. > > Ted Nugent using the N-word repeatedly, Lumpy “keeping an eye on” black guys with guns, NRA literature presenting minority gangs as a threat the white homeowner protecting his wife and child - that’s “unsubtle”. What you present? That’s “imaginary”. Just the one image alone is reminiscent of other famous racist propaganda - that of the sea of black faces menacing the viewer. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3134 "2013-10-02T17:17:07Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “My side’s research”? Yeah Kellerman, gun control advocates cite him all the time. Have you never heard of him? > [@](#): > > You mean the racist stereotype that you presented? What are those? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3135 "2013-10-02T17:31:29Z")
The NRA’s modern philosophy is based around one Harlon Carter who is celebrated for shooting and killing a Mexican kid he thought had something to do with his car being stolen. He got away with it. The NRA is about putting guns in everyone’s hands only insofar as it means white people having more guns than minorities. It’s win-win. You can keep shooting minorities and the weapon industry gets to keep selling guns with little restriction. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3136 "2013-10-02T18:07:30Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > The NRA is about putting guns in everyone’s hands only insofar as it means white people having more guns than minorities. The NRA was not behind trying to outlaw inexpensive “Saturday Night Specials” that you people wanted to keep out of the hands of “poor” people. > [@](#): > > It’s win-win. You can keep shooting minorities and the weapon industry gets to keep selling guns with little restriction. No it’s win-win because your side just lost credibility, and helped put thousands upon thousand additional AR-15s and other semi-automatic firearms on the front line of production and sales. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3137 "2013-10-02T18:20:35Z")
Once again, I have to question the mental stability of people who feel the need to stockpile AR-15’s because we have a black president. That’s not racist at all. Let me guess, they need all those AR-15’s so they can overthrow the government. That’s rational. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3138 "2013-10-02T18:42:34Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Once again, I have to question the mental stability of people who feel the need to stockpile AR-15’s because we have a black president. That’s not racist at all. Of course not. They stockpiled them cause they thought the black democrat president would just what white democrat presidents did and try and make them illegal. Which of course he did. > [@](#): > > Let me guess, they need all those AR-15’s so they can overthrow the government. That’s rational. A lot of people want them just cause they don’t want people telling them they can’t have them. And of course a lot of other reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3139 "2013-10-02T18:50:30Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > The NRA’s modern philosophy is based around one Harlon Carter who is celebrated for shooting and killing a Mexican kid he thought had something to do with his car being stolen. He got away with it. > > The NRA is about putting guns in everyone’s hands only insofar as it means white people having more guns than minorities. > > It’s win-win. You can keep shooting minorities and the weapon industry gets to keep selling guns with little restriction. The NRA’s modern philosophy is about getting as many people as possible to own a gun, and to donate to the NRA. They don’t care what color, religion or gender you are. I had never seen that particular publication, and I have been a Life member since the '80s. Not sure where they used it, but I agree that it is using stereotypes to drive white fear - a very effective strategy sadly. It worked for Pete Wilson in California and Prop 187, it worked when Bush used Willy Horton against Dukakis, and I am sure the NRA was hoping to get the same response. Who do they market to? Hunters, with American Hunter Long-gun enthusiasts, with American Rifleman Political types, with America’s First Freedom Kids, with NRA Insights Gear nuts, with Shooting Illustrated Competitive Shooters, with Shooting Sports USA They segment their marketplace to match the advertisers, donors, and interests. They would happily welcome gun owners of any race who wanted to donate, purchase, and support their cause. Gun Control has a history of being a white response to armed blacks (California passed its early laws after Huey Newton showed up in Sacramento with a shotgun - legal at the time). Now the same racism can certainly be leveraged to get white people to buy guns - but it can also be used to get minorities to purchase as well. ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3140 "2013-10-02T19:33:20Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > [Forget Paula Deeen, Let’s Look at the NRA’s Racism | Dissident Voice](http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/07/forget-paula-deeen-lets-look-at-the-nras-racism/) > > You can never really get the images from the NRAs Freedom in Peril brochure out of your head… Said brochure reminds me of nothing so much as a Jack Chick tract®. Kept expecting Kerry or Pelosi to say HAW HAW HAW… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=156) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=158)