# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 177
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3521 "2013-12-27T06:40:29Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Hell, there’s a $3 million house down the street for sale with a great security system, why don’t they just buy THAT place. If they worked hard enough and made the right choices in life, it would be within reach, I’m sure. Well, yes, it might be. I am my cite. When I was growing up (single mom, btw) we lived on food stamps & food drives at the church and my younger brother’s shoes and clothes were all my used clothes until 9th grade and we only had one small black & white TV (a donation from someone, I think) well into my senior year at high school, so yeah - a better life than living in shit holes is almost certainly within reach to those that work for it. I do believe that. Are you saying a better life is not within reach to the poor? I wonder if more poor people or rich people die from guns, btw. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3522 "2013-12-27T14:30:58Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Well, yes, it might be. I am my cite. When I was growing up (single mom, btw) we lived on food stamps & food drives at the church and my younger brother’s shoes and clothes were all my used clothes until 9th grade and we only had one small black & white TV (a donation from someone, I think) well into my senior year at high school, so yeah - a better life than living in shit holes is almost certainly within reach to those that work for it. OK, so poor people ARE lazy. I always thought the same. Are you sure you are not a republican? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3523 "2013-12-27T14:44:59Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > I wonder if more poor people or rich people die from guns, btw. Do you really wonder? I thought you had this whole plan to selectively tax them out of the hands of poor people? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3524 "2013-12-27T19:37:50Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Well, yes, it might be. I am my cite. You’re an anonymous poster on the internet. If you’re looking to convince anyone other than yourself, you probably need more than one anonymous anecdote. > [@](#): > > When I was growing up (single mom, btw) we lived on food stamps & food drives at the church and my younger brother’s shoes and clothes were all my used clothes until 9th grade and we only had one small black & white TV (a donation from someone, I think) well into my senior year at high school, so yeah - a better life than living in shit holes is almost certainly within reach to those that work for it. So why didn’t your mom work for it? Was she lazy? > [@](#): > > I do believe that. Are you saying a better life is not within reach to the poor? For a lot of them, a $3 million dollar house is not within reach. A single family house is not within reach. If the most recent housing crisis taught us anything, it taught us that not everyone can afford a nice home no matter how much they may want one. > [@](#): > > I wonder if more poor people or rich people die from guns, btw. Well seeing as how poor people live in shitty neighborhoods, isn’t the answer pretty obvious? Are you under the impression that law abiding poor people are killing each other off? Or do you recognize that its mostly the result of criminals and gansters. > [@Kable](#): > > OK, so poor people ARE lazy. I always thought the same. Are you sure you are not a republican? So he’s basically saying his mom was lazy and both he and his brother used to be lazy when he was a kid. > [@Kable](#): > > Do you really wonder? I thought you had this whole plan to selectively tax them out of the hands of poor people? He really doesn’t care whose hands he takes them from as long as there is a smaller number of guns out there. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3525 "2013-12-27T21:06:24Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > OK, so poor people ARE lazy. I always thought the same. Are you sure you are not a republican? I don’t know what the fuck you’re smoking, but you might want to put the pipe down. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So why didn’t your mom work for it? Was she lazy? Huh? My mom worked two jobs putting her kids through school and putting nutritious food on the table. She ended up owning her own company, is now retired, and owns property down in the Keys. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3526 "2013-12-27T22:06:36Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > No? [http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/tc/ptsd-and-panic-attacks-overview](http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/tc/ptsd-and-panic-attacks-overview) Trying to integrate into your main point, and failing. 1. Even with \*ridiculous amounts \*of firearms training, gun owners will still shoot their own kids/senile neighbors/etc, so training is pointless? 2. We shouldn’t allow anyone with diagnosed anxiety disorders, including vets with PTSD, to own guns? 3. Acceptable losses? 4. ? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3527 "2013-12-27T22:44:04Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Huh? My mom worked two jobs putting her kids through school and putting nutritious food on the table. She ended up owning her own company, is now retired, and owns property down in the Keys. This all just sounds like you are making it up as you go along. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3528 "2013-12-27T22:47:23Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Trying to integrate into your main point, and failing. > > 1. Even with \*ridiculous amounts \*of firearms training, gun owners will still shoot their own kids/senile neighbors/etc, so training is pointless? > 2. We shouldn’t allow anyone with diagnosed anxiety disorders, including vets with PTSD, to own guns? > 3. Acceptable losses? > 4. ? Just that PastTense was likely wrong to say the guy couldn’t have panicked. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2013, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3529 "2013-12-27T23:57:43Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > This all just sounds like you are making it up as you go along. So does that nonsense about you getting attacked with a 2x4. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3530 "2013-12-28T00:43:39Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > This all just sounds like you are making it up as you go along. Whatever helps you and your guns sleep better at night, kiddo. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3531 "2013-12-28T01:12:54Z")
Poor people can’t afford the guns they need to defend their families. The government can step in and subsidize gun purchases for the poor, especially those urban poor. I wonder which side would flinch first. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3532 "2013-12-28T01:45:37Z")
Oregon county residents form armed watches after Sheriff announces service cutbacks: [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/26/citizens-take-law-into-own-hands-after-cash-strapped-ore-county-guts-sheriff/](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/26/citizens-take-law-into-own-hands-after-cash-strapped-ore-county-guts-sheriff/) > [@](#): > > The government in Josephine County, where nearly 70 percent of the land is owned by the U.S. government, had long relied on federal timber subsidies to pay the bills. When the feds terminated the funds, county officials scrambled to pass a May 2012 tax levy to make up a nearly $7.5 million budget shortfall. > > However, the county’s residents voted against the levy, and as a result the Josephine County Sheriff’s Office was gutted. The major crimes unit closed, dozens of prisoners were released from the county jail and the department reduced operations to Monday-Friday, eight hours a day. > > The Sheriff’s Office then issued a press release announcing their deputies would only be responding to what they deemed “life-threatening situations.” ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3533 "2013-12-28T01:51:06Z")
Sounds like a libertarian paradise. Best of luck to them. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3534 "2013-12-28T02:00:25Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > So does that nonsense about you getting attacked with a 2x4. I have a police report. Want to put money on it? Let’s make it a lot of money. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3535 "2013-12-28T05:54:27Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > I don’t know what the fuck you’re smoking, but you might want to put the pipe down. Just to clarify your opinion, do you really think most poor people are lazy? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3536 "2013-12-28T13:15:46Z")
Not only does he have a police report but he still has the original 2x4 - which he has fashioned into a cross to climb up on. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3537 "2013-12-28T13:37:00Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Not only does he have a police report but he still has the original 2x4 - which he has fashioned into a cross to climb up on. I’m just an anecdote of a gun used properly to prevent a homicide. Sorry you all like to pretend that never happens. I just can’t help but mention that I know at least one time it happened. But Jack, since you are here, and obviously don’t like guns, what are your thoughts on poor people moving to good neighborhoods and buying alarm systems instead of guns? Are they really just too lazy to do so? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3538 "2013-12-28T18:28:29Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I’m just an anecdote of a gun used properly to prevent a homicide. Sorry you all like to pretend that never happens. I just can’t help but mention that I know at least one time it happened. I believe that people use guns to defend themselves. I do not believe that you ever did. I think you are a liar and a prick. I doubt your story. The last time you and I shared an exchange on this topic, as I recall, the police report was forthcoming. It never appeared. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3539 "2013-12-28T19:48:59Z")
Cracked ran a good article on guns today and I thought those of y’all who are regular contributors to this thread might enjoy it as points for discussion: [5 Mind-Blowing Facts Nobody Told You About Guns](http://www.cracked.com/article_20396_5-mind-blowing-facts-nobody-told-you-about-guns.html). I thought the bit about suicides was very well-written, well-researched and thought provoking, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3540 "2013-12-28T21:10:58Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Just to clarify your opinion, do you really think most poor people are lazy? A) Define ‘poor’ B) Define ‘lazy’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=176) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=178)