# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 179
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3561 "2013-12-29T20:11:22Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I could certainly work harder and earn more, but that takes time and money has a lesser utility as you get up there. In other words, you’re just lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3562 "2013-12-29T20:12:30Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > I suspect a stable home life and a good education were almost as important. OK, so poor people don’t all have that, so they can’t work hard and move into a good neighborhood. So Damuri was right. > [@](#): > > The rest of the poor absolutely could improve their lot in life if they want to. What percent of the poor would you guess that is? > [@](#): > > It’s not a question of ‘lazy’ or not - growing up, hell the poor people around me all worked like donkeys. I would say looking back that the ones that got out and the ones that didn’t, the main difference was the choices they made with the money they had. Basic education in home finances could probably do more than any tax break the government wanted to offer. Victims of circumstances so to speak? Maybe we should get rid of welfare and food stamps and offer Andrew Tobias’ book for free for audio download. That would save us billions. Again are you sure you are not a republican? Or maybe a libertarian? > [@](#): > > So, you’re weaseling out of the bet you offered. Why am I not surprised? You’re weaseling fuck face, the bet I offered was for $1000. I can go down some from there if it’s too rich for you but it has to be worth my time and I definitely want that money going to a 3rd party ahead of time. I don’t want you to welch. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3563 "2013-12-29T20:18:20Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > In other words, you’re just lazy. Life has an expiration date, you don’t want to just work it away do you? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3564 "2013-12-29T22:59:44Z")
I’m willing to bet a nickel that Kable is a liar. And a dime that at some point in his life, his pants were on fire. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3565 "2013-12-30T01:15:42Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > I could certainly work harder and earn more, but that takes time and money has a lesser utility as you get up there. You know so you are working harder, but it impacts your lifestyle less and less. Plus I’m sure a certain amount of luck is involved. You ever read “Outlier” or “The Black Swan”? Yup, sounds like pathetic laziness to me. Think of all the jobs you’d create and all the difference you’d make in people’s lives. And more importantly think of all the guns you could own, and how much more effective you’d be at spreading the Truth about guns. But it won’t happen because you just won’t get off your ass and do a little work. Oh wait, “a certain amount of luck is involved?” Sounds like loser talk to me. Like all those excuses poor people make - lack of opportunity, structural inequality, lack of family connections, etc. Just pathetic. If all it takes for them to become middle class is a little work, then it should be even easier for you to become fabulously wealthy. :rolleyes: [/sarcasm, if there was any doubt] ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3566 "2013-12-30T02:06:11Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > Yup, sounds like pathetic laziness to me. Think of all the jobs you’d create and all the difference you’d make in people’s lives. And more importantly think of all the guns you could own, and how much more effective you’d be at spreading the Truth about guns. But it won’t happen because you just won’t get off your ass and do a little work. I already create jobs and I own a shitload of guns. I don’t know if I’ve mentioned this before but I’m a competitive shooter so I need time to practice. You don’t get mad gun skills working 60 hours a week at a day job. Also my side is winning the gun war already, thank mostly to you gungrabbers overreaching and Obama trying to ban guns again, just like the NRA said he would. > [@](#): > > Oh wait, “a certain amount of luck is involved?” Sounds like loser talk to me. Like all those excuses poor people make - lack of opportunity, structural inequality, lack of family connections, etc. Just pathetic. If all it takes for them to become middle class is a little work, then it should be even easier for you to become fabulously wealthy. Take it up with DragonAsh, he’s the one that thinks anyone can make it out of poverty. I think the poor are lazy on average, just like him, but I admit they are sometimes unlucky and/or of low intelligence. What do you think (without the sarcasm)? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3567 "2013-12-30T03:34:37Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Yeah, that’s what I thought. Indeed. If anyone had any doubts that this fuck is a liar, he’s pretty much resolved them. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3568 "2013-12-30T04:25:32Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Indeed. If anyone had any doubts that this fuck is a liar, he’s pretty much resolved them. Like I said, how much you willing to bet? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3569 "2013-12-30T04:46:07Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Like I said, how much you willing to bet? You have repeatedly asserted that you have a police report. You have failed to produce it. Either you have a police report or you do not. The longer you stall in producing it, the more you confirm that you’ve been lying about the whole thing. And you want me to pay you money so that you stop looking like a liar? Why would I want to do that? I’m quite content for you to go on with your stalling tactics. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3570 "2013-12-30T05:09:51Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > You have repeatedly asserted that you have a police report. You have failed to produce it. Either you have a police report or you do not. The longer you stall in producing it, the more you confirm that you’ve been lying about the whole thing. Like I have said. I do have it. You have said that you are 95% sure that I don’t, so put up or shut up or shut up. I’m hoping you put up. I want to buy a new gun, an assault rifle, courtesy of you gun grabbers. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3571 "2013-12-30T06:02:10Z")
Buy it from Smith and Wesson. Get me some dividends, bitch. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3572 "2013-12-30T06:43:01Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Like I have said. I do have it. You have said that you are 95% sure that I don’t, so put up or shut up or shut up. I’m hoping you put up. I want to buy a new gun, an assault rifle, courtesy of you gun grabbers. Somebody already took you up on your bet, you dolt, about 15 posts ago. I see you conveniently trying to ignore it. That’s OK. I didn’t expect any more from a lying sack of shit like you. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3573 "2013-12-30T12:24:59Z")
OK. Whoever wants in on the bet, PM me for my mailing address. Once I have the total **Kable** needs to cover I’ll let him know and he can send me that amount. Then I can distribute the money accordingly after taking my 10%. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3574 "2013-12-30T15:15:28Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Here’s an article on the stepdad who killed his stepdaughter: > > “Meade, a 10-year Army veteran, was an enlisted soldier who ascended to the rank of sergeant first-class before accepting his commission within the past year, Fort Carson spokeswoman Dani Johnson said. He is the recipient of a Bronze Star, an Army Commendation medal, and other laurels… Meade also has a Ranger tab and a Special Forces tab, showing that he completed some of the Army’s toughest and most exclusive combat training.” > [Stepdad who shot teen girl is decorated Fort Carson officer](http://gazette.com/stepdad-who-shot-teen-girl-is-decorated-fort-carson-officer/article/1511573) > > With his training he surely doesn’t have the excuse that he panicked. I have been told that the order ‘kill them all and let god sort them out’ was frequently given in Vietnam. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3575 "2013-12-30T15:24:50Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Like I have said. I do have it. You have said that you are 95% sure that I don’t, so put up or shut up or shut up. I’m hoping you put up. I want to buy a new gun, an assault rifle, courtesy of you gun grabbers. I’m saying that you’re just a big pussy who made up a story about a scary guy breaking into your house with a piece of lumber (!) before you shot him in the arm (!). The only real reason that you’re so scared that you need to arm yourself to the teeth is that you’re congenitally just a pussy. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3576 "2013-12-30T15:25:11Z")
> [@kenetic](#): > > Yup, sounds like pathetic laziness to me. Think of all the jobs you’d create and all the difference you’d make in people’s lives. And more importantly think of all the guns you could own, and how much more effective you’d be at spreading the Truth about guns. But it won’t happen because you just won’t get off your ass and do a little work. > > Oh wait, “a certain amount of luck is involved?” Sounds like loser talk to me. Like all those excuses poor people make - lack of opportunity, structural inequality, lack of family connections, etc. Just pathetic. If all it takes for them to become middle class is a little work, then it should be even easier for you to become fabulously wealthy. :rolleyes: > > [/sarcasm, if there was any doubt] I would suppose this has been discussed elsewhere on the site, but it seems a good place to insert the observation that when towns/villages/etc. all over the world have been experimented with, when each resident was given a monthly amount somewhat higher than ‘welfare’, the results were surprisingly uniform. All the welfare/safety net programs went away, people actually worked harder to raise themselves even further from the poverty line. Educational opportunities taken, job training, etc. and the economy of the whole town improved mightily. If you haven’t heard of it, I’ll go get the cites. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3577 "2013-12-30T15:28:53Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Somebody already took you up on your bet, you dolt, about 15 posts ago. I see you conveniently trying to ignore it. I don’t see it. Cite. > [@](#): > > That’s OK. I didn’t expect any more from a lying sack of shit like you. Should be easy money for you all then. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3578 "2013-12-30T15:38:48Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > OK. Whoever wants in on the bet, PM me for my mailing address. Once I have the total **Kable** needs to cover I’ll let him know and he can send me that amount. Then I can distribute the money accordingly after taking my 10%. OK, you sound like a real person, so if everyone else trusts you so will I. I’m in for anything over $500. I can then fax or scan and email a copy of the police report to you, which appears to be about 50 pages long, but I can probably reduce it to 20 or so that describes the incident almost exactly as I’ve reported it. I’ll black out the names and addresses but it describes the shooting, the 2x4, the girlfriend, and the perpetrators confession in detail. Is that fair to all? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3579 "2013-12-30T15:41:40Z")
Oddly, it was 30 pages long last time you pretended you were going to provide it to anyone. Did the cops write 20 more pages for you in the past 9 months? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3580 "2013-12-30T15:41:44Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I’m saying that you’re just a big pussy who made up a story about a scary guy breaking into your house with a piece of lumber (!) before you shot him in the arm (!). The only real reason that you’re so scared that you need to arm yourself to the teeth is that you’re congenitally just a pussy. Actually, I’m fairly muscular but anyway, how much money are you sending to **kayaker**? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=178) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=180)