# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 180
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3581 "2013-12-30T15:46:07Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Oddly, it was 30 pages long last time you pretended you were going to provide it to anyone. > > Did the cops write 20 more pages for you in the past 9 months? Same report now as before. I haven’t counted the pages, it’s about 3/8" thick but some of it’s letters from the psychiatric review board. You in for the easy money? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3582 "2013-12-30T16:43:39Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Same report now as before. I haven’t counted the pages, it’s about 3/8" thick but some of it’s letters from the psychiatric review board. You in for the easy money? You know, I took your story at face value, but this whole “bet” gambit has me thinking Hentor is on to something. Nobody is going to give enough of a shit about an internet argument with a troll to blow $500, and you know it. And _I_ know that it doesn’t take $500 worth of motivation to snap a couple of cell phone pics from the relevant pages of the police report and throw 'em on imgur or photobucket. Unless you’re too dumb to know how to get pictures onto the internet, which is a distinct possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3583 "2013-12-30T16:52:06Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > You know, I took your story at face value, but this whole “bet” gambit has me thinking Hentor is on to something. Nobody is going to give enough of a shit about an internet argument with a troll to blow $500, and you know it. Can kayaker put you down for just $100 then? The total only has to reach $500. > [@](#): > > And _I_ know that it doesn’t take $500 worth of motivation to snap a couple of cell phone pics from the relevant pages of the police report and throw 'em on imgur or photobucket. Unless you’re too dumb to know how to get pictures onto the internet, which is a distinct possibility. Yeah, but I have to make copies, sit there with a marker and black out personal data… Plus I kind of want to see the gungrabbers here lose something tangible. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3584 "2013-12-30T17:39:03Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Same report now as before. I haven’t counted the pages, it’s about 3/8" thick but some of it’s letters from the psychiatric review board. You in for the easy money? Wow! 3/8 of an inch? So now it’s about 94 pages long! It is remarkable how this police report you’ve been given keeps growing. Thanks very much for giving me the chance to pay you to prove you’re not a lying piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3585 "2013-12-30T18:01:01Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Wow! 3/8 of an inch? So now it’s about 94 pages long! It is remarkable how this police report you’ve been given keeps growing. It’s manila envelope full of papers. I never thought I would be challenged on how many pages were in it. 68 pages of assorted papers now that I counted. > [@](#): > > Thanks very much for giving me the chance to pay you to prove you’re not a lying piece of shit. Actually I’m giving you the opportunity to profit if you really think I’m lying. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3586 "2013-12-30T18:14:51Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Can kayaker put you down for just $100 then? The total only has to reach $500. > Yeah, but I have to make copies, sit there with a marker and black out personal data… Plus I kind of want to see the gungrabbers here lose something tangible. Sorry, you must have mistaken me for someone who cares about seeing the police report. I don’t. It doesn’t really matter to me whether you’re telling the truth or not. I just wanted to point out that your gambit is backfiring. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3587 "2013-12-30T18:19:43Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > It’s manila envelope full of papers. I never thought I would be challenged on how many pages were in it. 68 pages of assorted papers now that I counted. I’m not challenging how many pages are in it. I’m observing that you originally said it was 30 pages long here: > [@Family fights back when 3 gunmen storm their home](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/family-fights-back-when-3-gunmen-storm-their-home/651203/122): > > A 30 page police report is something that wouldn’t be very easy to fabricate. I’ll just accept that you believe me, but no amount of data points would change your opinion anyway. No drugs involved at my house I can assure you. But today, you said it was 50 pages long. Now it appears to be “68 pages of assorted pages”. A police report of assorted pages that is more than twice the length you said it was back in March. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3588 "2013-12-30T19:12:11Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Can kayaker put you down for just $100 then? The total only has to reach $500. > Yeah, but I have to make copies, sit there with a marker and black out personal data… Plus I kind of want to see the gungrabbers here lose something tangible. Um, no. I’m going to want to talk to the police dept. in question. Heck you don’t need to upload anything, just give us the police dept. and case file number, I’ll do the rest. Since you apparently have all the information available at your finger tips as we speak, it should only take you all of 15 seconds to post the info. $100, charity of your choice! Easy money! ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3589 "2013-12-30T19:30:18Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Sorry, you must have mistaken me for someone who cares about seeing the police report. I don’t. It doesn’t really matter to me whether you’re telling the truth or not. I just wanted to point out that your gambit is backfiring. It is? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3590 "2013-12-30T19:32:40Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I’m not challenging how many pages are in it. I’m observing that you originally said it was 30 pages long here: > > But today, you said it was 50 pages long. > > Now it appears to be “68 pages of assorted pages”. A police report of assorted pages that is more than twice the length you said it was back in March. Back in March I was guessing, and I was guessing when I said 50. 68 I counted, so are you in? ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3591 "2013-12-30T19:43:09Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Um, no. I’m going to want to talk to the police dept. in question. Heck you don’t need to upload anything, just give us the police dept. and case file number, I’ll do the rest. Since you apparently have all the information available at your finger tips as we speak, it should only take you all of 15 seconds to post the info. > > $100, charity of your choice! Easy money! That would give you his personal information (which he has stated he does not wish to release). Anyone can pull a case number and post it after all. As I sit here with my popcorn - are you going to take on his wager? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3592 "2013-12-30T19:45:08Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Um, no. I’m going to want to talk to the police dept. in question. Heck you don’t need to upload anything, just give us the police dept. and case file number, I’ll do the rest. Since you apparently have all the information available at your finger tips as we speak, it should only take you all of 15 seconds to post the info. > > $100, charity of your choice! Easy money! Haha, I’m not giving out my personal information to a bunch of liberal freaks. Like I said, I would give a neutral 3rd party a copy of the report with personal info blacked out. And $100 to some charity isn’t enough, in fact it isn’t anything. If you guys don’t trust **Kayaker** we can find another 3rd party we all agree on I’m sure. And why are you getting so cheap DragonAsh, I thought you were supposed to be a millionaire. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3593 "2013-12-30T20:00:17Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Back in March I was guessing, and I was guessing when I said 50. 68 I counted, so are you in? I think I’ve said four or five times that I have no motive whatsoever to spare you looking like an evasive twat. How fucking stupid are you that you keep asking me to repeat that you look like an evasive twat? You offered the report. You now suggest instead that people should put up money to get you to share the report. If you’re not motivated to follow through on your offer to prove you’re not lying, why the hell would I want to motivate you otherwise? Go ahead and ask me a sixth time. Goddamn, you’re fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3594 "2013-12-30T20:08:48Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I think I’ve said four or five times that I have no motive whatsoever to spare you looking like an evasive twat. How fucking stupid are you that you keep asking me to repeat that you look like an evasive twat? I just can’t help but mention that you won’t put your money where your mouth is. > [@](#): > > You offered the report. You now suggest instead that people should put up money to get you to share the report. If you’re not motivated to follow through on your offer to prove you’re not lying, why the hell would I want to motivate you otherwise? You seem more familiar than I am with what I said back in March. Did I really say I would make my report public, or did I offer up the idea of a wager back then? > [@](#): > > Go ahead and ask me a sixth time. Goddamn, you’re fucking stupid. No it’s pretty clear that you are too scared to bet. All you had to do was say so. I just wanted to give you every opportunity. If you all had asked nice I might have shared it for free. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2013, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3595 "2013-12-30T23:56:48Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Huh? My mom worked two jobs putting her kids through school and putting nutritious food on the table. She ended up owning her own company, is now retired, and owns property down in the Keys. So then you should be willing to admit that people can find themselves in shitty neighborhoods with high crime rates (at least until they can save up enough to buy their property in the Keys)…right? > [@Kable](#): > > This all just sounds like you are making it up as you go along. Yeah, its his life story is starting to sound like a made for tv movie. But its possible I suppose. > [@marshmallow](#): > > Poor people can’t afford the guns they need to defend their families. The government can step in and subsidize gun purchases for the poor, especially those urban poor. I wonder which side would flinch first. Why would the gun rights side flinch? As long as it came with some training. In fact there is a prpoject called the “armed citizen project” [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Armed\_Citizen\_Project](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Armed_Citizen_Project) and its all supported by donations from gun nuts. So why would the gun nuts suddenly decide that what they thought was good when paid for by donations would be bad when paid for by taxpayer dollars? Unless you think all gun nuts suck Ayn Rand’s cock. > [@Kable](#): > > Why would I have scanned it. You all backed down on the bet when I offered it before. > Bet me then, bitch. If you are so sure I’m lying lets make it $2000. If you can’t afford it maybe you can get DragonAsh to bankroll you. We can have a 3rd party hold the money up front. Fair? I’d offer to escrow but based on some of the names I’ve been called, I think some of the people here would rather give their money to a raccoon for safekeeping. So you could always use one of the online serives, I think they charge like 2%. > [@DragonAsh](#): > > I will make a $100 donation to the charity of your choice (but they have to accept on-line donations). Hell, I’ll donate it to the NRA if you want. I’ll post the receipt of the donation. WHOA!!! slow down big spender. > [@DragonAsh](#): > > So, you’re weaseling out of the bet you offered. Why am I not surprised? > [@DragonAsh](#): > > Somebody already took you up on your bet, you dolt, about 15 posts ago. I see you conveniently trying to ignore it. Its not weaseling out when he bets you $1000 and you counter with $100 donation. Thats you trying to change the bet. > [@crucible](#): > > I would suppose this has been discussed elsewhere on the site, but it seems a good place to insert the observation that when towns/villages/etc. all over the world have been experimented with, when each resident was given a monthly amount somewhat higher than ‘welfare’, the results were surprisingly uniform. All the welfare/safety net programs went away, people actually worked harder to raise themselves even further from the poverty line. Educational opportunities taken, job training, etc. and the economy of the whole town improved mightily. > > If you haven’t heard of it, I’ll go get the cites. You mean the negative income tax? [Negative income tax - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax) > [@Kable](#): > > You seem more familiar than I am with what I said back in March. Did I really say I would make my report public, or did I offer up the idea of a wager back then? Which was it? ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3596 "2013-12-31T00:31:30Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So then you should be willing to admit that people can find themselves in shitty neighborhoods with high crime rates Yes. And your point is…? > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Its not weaseling out when he bets you $1000 and you counter with $100 donation. Thats you trying to change the bet. Bull-fucking SHIT you little goat’s shit. It’s me trying to get him to agree to a bet that there’s no good reason for him to try and weasel out of. There’s no fucking way any of us are agreeing to send money ‘into escrow’ :rolleyes: to some random person on the Internet that none of us have ever met…but the beauty of online charity donations, you see, you little shithead, is that you can have any name you want show up as the donation (even though the credit / debit card payment itself is under your name. If Mr I-really-do-have-a-police-report-no-really-I-do was serious, and/or if he really had a police report, he 100% absolutely would have posted something by now if for no other reason than to crow about it. ‘Oh, $100 isn’t enough, I’ll only do it for $500’. It’s so pathetic. You’re lying, fucking lowlife streaks of slime, spending your days licking musky drips of sweat of the other’s stinky ball sacks while masturbating to your gun du jour. Since you have so many of them, you know. Seriously, just go back to whacking off into your favorite gun barrel. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3597 "2013-12-31T01:17:12Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Bull-fucking SHIT you little goat’s shit. It’s me trying to get him to agree to a bet that there’s no good reason for him to try and weasel out of. No reason except it’s a petty amount and one where I won’t actually collect anything. If I’m going to bet I want to win for real, plus I have no way of knowing you would donate even if you lost, nor you if I lost. Not so if we have a neutral 3rd party hold the money. > [@](#): > > There’s no fucking way any of us are agreeing to send money ‘into escrow’ :rolleyes: to some random person on the Internet that none of us have ever met… It’s only $500 were talking about. You live in a 3 million dollar house right? So $500 is a pittance to you, right? If you don’t trust **kayaker** I’m sure we could find someone else, someone who is a long time poster who’s pretty neutral and a lot of people know. I’m fine with them getting 10% to do the deal. > [@](#): > > If Mr I-really-do-have-a-police-report-no-really-I-do was serious, and/or if he really had a police report, he 100% absolutely would have posted something by now if for no other reason than to crow about it. I don’t expect it will make much difference to anyone’s opinion either way so I don’t expect to get much satisfaction out of proving I’m honest. I’ll definitely get some satisfaction buying a new gun with money I won from you gun grabbers. I’ll crow about that. > [@](#): > > ‘Oh, $100 isn’t enough, I’ll only do it for $500’. It’s so pathetic. If your a millionaire who can’t afford a $500 bet then you’re pathetic. > [@](#): > > You’re lying, fucking lowlife streaks of slime, spending your days licking musky drips of sweat of the other’s stinky ball sacks while masturbating to your gun du jour. Wow, that’s quite a tirade. Are emotional outbursts like that common with upper level management at most fortune 500 companies? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3598 "2013-12-31T01:25:23Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So you could always use one of the online serives, I think they charge like 2%. I’d be willing to do that as well. I’ve never used an online escrow. I imagine we would still need someone neutral to examine the report and decide if it looks legit, and they would have control over where the money went. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3599 "2013-12-31T17:29:05Z")
Feel free to pretend like you ‘won’ your pathetic little argument. The rest of us know what the score is. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3600 "2013-12-31T17:44:28Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Feel free to pretend like you ‘won’ your pathetic little argument. The rest of us know what the score is. Yeah it seems everyone, including you, thinks there is a pretty good chance my story is true, and it’s for sure that $500 is a great deal of money to you in particular. I hope them monthly alarm payments aren’t forcing you into chapter 13. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=179) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=181)