# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 198
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3941 "2014-02-19T00:24:11Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Shit, I can remember the days when pulling out a gun during a fistfight was thuggery and pussy move. [Ah, yes, those were the days . . .](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_of_new_york) ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3942 "2014-02-19T02:34:32Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Missouri gun murders ‘rose after law repeal’.](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578) Wait, they’re not saying that licensing might have some sort of measurable effect on gun violence are they? Is it possible that it might even have more of an effect than banning rifles with collapsible stocks and bayonet lugs? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3943 "2014-02-19T03:02:41Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Missouri gun murders ‘rose after law repeal’.](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26222578) It’s always nice to see the real world continue to vindicate my views on gun policy. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3944 "2014-02-19T03:11:14Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > It’s always nice to see the real world continue to vindicate my views on gun policy. “Nice” ain’t a word that comes to mind in this connection. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3945 "2014-02-19T04:09:33Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > It’s always nice to see the real world continue to vindicate my views on gun policy. I missed the part where charging people who are guilty of negligent homicide with second degree murder had some sort of positive effect on the frequency of people negligently killing others. 😛 BTW, this is not the sort of licensing you were talking about (frankly its not the sort of licensing I was talking about either), it is effectively universal background checks for gun purchases in Missouri (apparently, Missouri criminals aren’t smart enough to go one state over to buy their guns), there is no safety training and the licenses are only good for 30 days. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3946 "2014-02-19T19:46:37Z")
Minnesota police groups sue NFL over gun ban: > **[Minnesota police groups sue NFL over weapons ban at stadiums](https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-police-groups-sue-nfl-over-weapons-ban-at-stadiums/246059881/)** > > Lawsuit argues the league is violating state law allowing armed off-duty officers and lacks authority to enforce policy. “The National Football League has been slapped with a lawsuit by two Minnesota law enforcement organizations challenging its authority to prohibit off-duty officers from bringing guns into stadiums.” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3947 "2014-02-19T20:13:57Z")
That will be interesting, if a private business cannot control gun possession on its own premises. Why not let the free market decide? If you don’t like their policy, don’t buy a ticket. Off duty cops have no constitutional right to attend NFL games. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3948 "2014-02-19T20:29:02Z")
Note to self: Put down game console remote before answering the door. Probably better not hand it to one of the kids. [Georgia cops reportedly shoot dead teen holding Wii control](http://www.salon.com/2014/02/19/georgia_cops_reportedly_shoot_dead_teen_holding_wii_control/) ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3949 "2014-02-19T20:34:57Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Note to self: Put down game console remote before answering the door. Probably better not hand it to one of the kids. > > [Georgia cops reportedly shoot dead teen holding Wii control](http://www.salon.com/2014/02/19/georgia_cops_reportedly_shoot_dead_teen_holding_wii_control/) Some would require the family to prove there was no gun. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3950 "2014-02-19T20:38:57Z")
Today’s token DGU: [An elderly woman uses a firearm](http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/02/19/lowell-woman-dissuades-insistent-snow-shoveler/f55MfhDs7vuYeXSt1EKIoK/story.html) to successfully drive off a man who was demanding to be paid for work he’d done for her. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2014, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3951 "2014-02-20T18:31:10Z")
That link doesn’t prove your point. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2014, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3952 "2014-02-21T02:31:49Z")
> [@Bruce\_Wayne](#): > > That link doesn’t prove your point. He has a point? Well, that’s a refreshing change. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2014, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3953 "2014-02-23T15:40:02Z")
NRA supporters should be happy about this little piece of news: [**Guns To Surpass Car Accidents As Leading Cause Of Deaths Among Young People**](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/22/3320751/gun-deaths-surpass-car-accidents-leading-cause-young-people/#) Sales are up! ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3954 "2014-02-23T17:54:29Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > NRA supporters should be happy about this little piece of news: > > [**Guns To Surpass Car Accidents As Leading Cause Of Deaths Among Young People**](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/22/3320751/gun-deaths-surpass-car-accidents-leading-cause-young-people/#) > > Sales are up! Well, isn’t this to be expected? As of 2009 the US had about 50M more firearms than automobiles. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2014, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3955 "2014-02-24T00:15:57Z")
You guys hate it when car analogies are made anyway. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2014, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3956 "2014-02-24T12:48:32Z")
Seriously, you can’t [make this shit up](http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/man-shoots-himself-in-leg-after-leaving-gun-safety/ndPND/). I just shot myself: The Musical > **[I Just Fucking Shot Myself The Musical](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deeMCYsyV94%E2%80%8E)** ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3957 "2014-02-24T15:22:28Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Seriously, you can’t [make this shit up](http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/man-shoots-himself-in-leg-after-leaving-gun-safety/ndPND/). In my state, that’s technically a misdemeanor of the first degree as I read the statutes. The Florida statutes appear to say the same thing if he was in an area zoned as residential. > [@FL Code 790.15](#): > > any person … who recklessly or negligently discharges a firearm outdoors on any property … zoned exclusively for residential use commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, This is the part where I gripe about enforcement of existing firearms law. A thousand bucks and a year in the pokey would serve as a nice little incentive to check your goddamn chamber before fucking around with your gun. Especially given the circumstances of just getting out of a safety course, NOT clearing the firearm properly appears to me to be negligent in the extreme. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3958 "2014-02-24T18:18:08Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Well, isn’t this to be expected? As of 2009 the US had about 50M more firearms than automobiles. Sigh, hasn’t this blatant misuse of statistics been debunked yet? Given that you can only use one gun at a time, do you really think that the number of guns owned is actually the correct statistic? Is someone who owns 20 guns 20 times more likely to be involved in a shooting than a person who owns one? Aren’t you on the side that says guns don’t kill people, people (with guns) kill people. Also given the fact that people spend far more time driving their car than they do using their gun, counting numbers of guns versus number of cars tell us nothing about which is safer. > [@Zeriel](#): > > This is the part where I gripe about enforcement of existing firearms law. A thousand bucks and a year in the pokey would serve as a nice little incentive to check your goddamn chamber before fucking around with your gun. Actually I doubt it would. Every one of those people are convinced that they are being a responsible gun owner right up to the point that they are not. So deterrence is unlikely make a lick of difference. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3959 "2014-02-25T02:54:48Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Sigh, hasn’t this blatant misuse of statistics been debunked yet? Given that you can only use one gun at a time, do you really think that the number of guns owned is actually the correct statistic? Is someone who owns 20 guns 20 times more likely to be involved in a shooting than a person who owns one? Aren’t you on the side that says guns don’t kill people, people (with guns) kill people. Also given the fact that people spend far more time driving their car than they do using their gun, counting numbers of guns versus number of cars tell us nothing about which is safer. I’m just curious but what caused that precipitous decline in auto deaths among minors in 2007 and 2008. I don’t recall any great safety features that were rolled out in those years. I don’t recall and huge cultural shift, legislative change of enforcement increase. And, what happened between 1994 and 1999 that caused such a dramatic drop in gun deaths for that age group? I don’t recall any great cultural shift or safety feature at that time (I suppose there was the AWB but its hard to point to the AWB as a reason that deaths largely caused by handguns would drop so dramatically). As for gun deaths, they are declining also just not as fast. The gross number of guns matters if you are talking about kids accidentally happening upon guns and accidentally shooting themselves or each other. Seeing as how the graph seems to be including all people under 26 and the number of gun deaths have been relatively stable, it seems to me that this article is just pointing out the huge drop in auto deaths in recent years. > [@](#): > > Actually I doubt it would. Every one of those people are convinced that they are being a responsible gun owner right up to the point that they are not. So deterrence is unlikely make a lick of difference. He used to want the death penalty for accidentally killing someone while hugging them because your guns wasn’t in a holster and the trigger caught on something (and as far as I know, he still does). ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3960 "2014-02-25T03:29:10Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > He used to want the death penalty for accidentally killing someone while hugging them because your guns wasn’t in a holster and the trigger caught on something (and as far as I know, he still does). Who said anything about the death penalty? I wouldn’t mind locking someone who has that combination of abject incompetence and carelessness and desire to have a gun away for the rest of their life, just to improve the odds I’m not downrange when said genius next leans on the trigger. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=197) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=199)