# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 199
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3961 "2014-02-25T03:31:04Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Actually I doubt it would. Every one of those people are convinced that they are being a responsible gun owner right up to the point that they are not. So deterrence is unlikely make a lick of difference. I’d settle for 10%. There are assholes out there, who I’ve overheard at ranges, who could not care less about the risks to life and limb involved in doing unsafe things with guns who WERE motivated in other aspects of their life by fines and potential jail time. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3962 "2014-02-25T13:09:08Z")
**Police: Fla. teen accidentally shoots off his penis and testicle** [http://www.11alive.com/News/Odd/256361/186/Police-Fla-Teen-Accidentally-S?\_ft\_=src.19:sty.347:actrs.1114298331:pub\_time.1357083807:fbid.4454352152962:s\_obj.5:s\_edge.24:s\_prnt.28:ft\_story\_name.StreamStoryOpenGraphAction\_og.recommends\_one2one:mf\_objid.4454352152962:object\_id.4454352152962:object\_timeline\_token\_map.Array:app\_id.298931766802481:action\_type\_id.235170989930193:og\_ref.artsharetop:media\_type.1:object\_type\_name.website&odyssey=obinsite](http://www.11alive.com/News/Odd/256361/186/Police-Fla-Teen-Accidentally-S?_ft_=src.19:sty.347:actrs.1114298331:pub_time.1357083807:fbid.4454352152962:s_obj.5:s_edge.24:s_prnt.28:ft_story_name.StreamStoryOpenGraphAction_og.recommends_one2one:mf_objid.4454352152962:object_id.4454352152962:object_timeline_token_map.Array:app_id.298931766802481:action_type_id.235170989930193:og_ref.artsharetop:media_type.1:object_type_name.website&odyssey=obinsite) Buys a gun at a party and then proceeds to accidentally shoot his penis and a testicle with it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3963 "2014-02-25T15:09:23Z")
Man drinks all day, then conducts impromptu [gun safety class](http://www.freep.com/article/20140224/NEWS03/302240114/independence-township-man-shoots-self-in-head) for his girlfriend. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3964 "2014-02-25T16:23:42Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Who said anything about the death penalty? I wouldn’t mind locking someone who has that combination of abject incompetence and carelessness and desire to have a gun away for the rest of their life, just to improve the odds I’m not downrange when said genius next leans on the trigger. Well when a guy who was carrying his gun Mexican style (unholstered, tucked into the pants) and negligently shot and killed his girlfriend when he hugged her because his trigger got caught on something; you said that you would charge him with murder one. Murder in the first degree is a capital offense in places where they have the death penalty so they would be subject to the death penalty. We don’t put most intentional murderers away for the rest of their life but you want to put people who negligently discharge their firearms in jail for life. > **[List of punishments for murder in the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_punishments_for_murder_in_the_United_States)** > > Murder, as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought), and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter). As the loss of a human being inflicts an enormous amount of grief for individuals close to the victim, as well as the fact that the commission of a murder permanently deprives the victim of their existence, most societies have considered it a very serio... You also want to similarly put drunk drivers in jail for the rest of their life if they kill someone. We already have laws that punish negligent discharge and we also have laws that cover accidental homicide. Its called manslaughter, in the sort of cases you are talking about, it would be involuntary manslaughter. > **[Manslaughter (United States law)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter_(United_States_law))** > > Note: Varies by jurisdiction > Note: Varies by jurisdiction > Manslaughter is a crime in the United States. Definitions can vary among jurisdictions, but manslaughter is invariably the act of causing the death of another person in a manner less culpable than murder. Three types of unlawful killings constitute manslaughter. First, there is voluntary manslaughter which is an intentional homicide committed in "sudden heat of passion" as the result of adequate provocation. Second, there is the form ... We can keep having this conversation but your position is not only extreme it is possibly unconstitutional. > [@Zeriel](#): > > I’d settle for 10%. There are assholes out there, who I’ve overheard at ranges, who could not care less about the risks to life and limb involved in doing unsafe things with guns who WERE motivated in other aspects of their life by fines and potential jail time. What kind of talk are you overhearing at the range? My experience at gun ranges is that everyone is fairly safety conscious. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3965 "2014-02-26T15:23:30Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Murder in the first degree is a capital offense in places where they have the death penalty so they would be subject to the death penalty. Not even in Texas do they execute even a fraction of people convicted of murder one. > [@](#): > > We already have laws that punish negligent discharge and we also have laws that cover accidental homicide. Its called manslaughter, in the sort of cases you are talking about, it would be involuntary manslaughter. Is it really incredibly so hard for you to understand that I believe this is wrong and should be changed? > [@](#): > > We can keep having this conversation but your position is … possibly unconstitutional. Laughable. > [@](#): > > What kind of talk are you overhearing at the range? My experience at gun ranges is that everyone is fairly safety conscious. When I go to my formerly-usual range (I moved fairly recently), in rural Pennsylvania, I hear and see all kinds of idiotic, crazy shit on a constant basis. - Targets labeled with politicians. (all Democrats, usually women or black) - Talk about how gun safes are a conspiracy to get good folks killed by home invaders (“A locked up gun ain’t a gun at all, by the time you get it out that $RACIAL\_SLUR’s already shot you”) - Talk about how (usually with gratuitous spankings) to teach your kids to stay away from your loaded, un-secured guns. - Talk about how “hunting season” and “bag limits” are a liberal conspiracy and they should be able to shoot any animal on their property they want at any time. - Discussion of which rounds are most useful for stopping body-armored thugs–admittedly, never OPENLY admitting they’re discussing killing cops or homeland security types, just winks and nudges. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3966 "2014-02-26T17:33:06Z")
Get in a fight? Think the other guy is winning? Shoot 'em - make sure he’s dead! - and walk. [Linkage](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561755/Man-25-shot-killed-unarmed-stranger-fight-suburban-Walmart-booked-police-claim-self-defense.html). ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3967 "2014-02-26T18:48:19Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Get in a fight? Think the other guy is winning? Shoot 'em - make sure he’s dead! - and walk. > > [Linkage](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561755/Man-25-shot-killed-unarmed-stranger-fight-suburban-Walmart-booked-police-claim-self-defense.html). I don’t know what the law is in Texas but here in MN the shooter would probably be under arrest. And if I understand the article correctly the DA there could still bring charges. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3968 "2014-02-26T18:54:23Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Get in a fight? Think the other guy is winning? Shoot 'em - make sure he’s dead! - and walk. > > [Linkage](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561755/Man-25-shot-killed-unarmed-stranger-fight-suburban-Walmart-booked-police-claim-self-defense.html). Flee, actually, as he took off afterward and was “located later.” As did the loud-music crusader in Florida. This may not be the optimal venue for a legal question, but after shooting someone dead in self-defense, is there no obligation to stick around? Bump bumpers with someone and then drive off = criminal, but blow someone’s head off and go about your merry way = no harm, no foul? ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3969 "2014-02-26T19:07:26Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Man drinks all day, then conducts impromptu [gun safety class](http://www.freep.com/article/20140224/NEWS03/302240114/independence-township-man-shoots-self-in-head) for his girlfriend. Yes: "The girlfriend told authorities that the man had been drinking all day and was explaining to her that his three handguns are safe when they aren’t loaded, according to Oakland County Undersheriff Michael McCabe. He demonstrated by placing the guns against his head and pulling the trigger. When he pulled the trigger on the third handgun, it discharged. The man was pronounced dead at the scene." Does he win a Darwin award? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3970 "2014-02-26T19:14:53Z")
With the special Wile E. Coyote citation, yes. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3971 "2014-02-26T19:43:54Z")
At least he did them in the right order. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3972 "2014-02-26T19:56:29Z")
At least it’s the law-abiding citizen \*himself \*who’s dead this time. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3973 "2014-02-26T20:14:29Z")
This could go in the Stupid Republicans thread just as easily, but [here ya go](http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/26/3332741/rand-paul-hold-murthy-guns/): > [@](#): > > On Wednesday — two years to the day after George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin — Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) placed a hold on President Barack Obama’s nominee for Surgeon General, Dr. Vivek Murthy, over Murthy’s view that gun violence represents a significant public health threat. > > “In his efforts to curtail Second Amendment rights, Dr. Murthy has continually referred to guns as a public health issue on par with heart disease and has diminished the role of mental health in gun violence,” wrote Paul in a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Never mind that > [@](#): > > According to the Centers for Disease Control, homicide and suicide are two of the top three leading causes of death among 15 to 24 year-olds, and the vast majority of those these deaths are facilitated by firearms. More than 68 percent of all homicides in America are gun-related, and more Americans kill themselves with guns than every other method combined. Gun violence is set to surpass car accidents as the number one killer of young people by 2015 if current trends hold. ---
**Author:** ![Esox\_Lucius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Esox\_Lucius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esox_Lucius)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3974 "2014-02-26T21:07:09Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I don’t know what the law is in Texas but here in MN the shooter would probably be under arrest. And if I understand the article correctly the DA there could still bring charges. Justice isn’t much comfort to a corpse. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Flee, actually, as he took off afterward and was “located later.” As did the loud-music crusader in Florida. > > This may not be the optimal venue for a legal question, but after shooting someone dead in self-defense, is there no obligation to stick around? Bump bumpers with someone and then drive off = criminal, but blow someone’s head off and go about your merry way = no harm, no foul? It’s the Flee Your Ground defence practiced by most gun owners when the shit hits the fan. I believe the handbook puts it something like this: _“Whatever laws there are regarding guns only apply to you if the outcome is positive. Negative consequences for your careless and illegal actions are to be avoided because, dammit, this is all about you and not anyone else. Why the hell do you think you’re a gun advocate in the first place?”_ ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3975 "2014-02-26T22:42:48Z")
[Arizona Tea Party Group on anti-gay bill](http://freakoutnation.com/2014/02/26/arizona-tea-party-group-on-anti-gay-bill-the-first-amendment-protects-only-the-practice-of-the-christian-faith/): **‘The First Amendment protects only the practice of the Christian faith’** > [@](#): > > You see, there is already a law that protects the right of those of the Christian faith to not serve those who are clearly abhorrent to that faith. > > It’s called the First Amendment. > > … > > The First Amendment was meant only to protect the Christian faith. When the founders spoke of religion, they meant the Christian religion. They did not have to keep saying the Christian religion because everyone knew that is what they were talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3976 "2014-02-26T22:57:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Arizona Tea Party Group on anti-gay bill](http://freakoutnation.com/2014/02/26/arizona-tea-party-group-on-anti-gay-bill-the-first-amendment-protects-only-the-practice-of-the-christian-faith/): **‘The First Amendment protects only the practice of the Christian faith’** Wrong thread I assume? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3977 "2014-02-26T23:12:04Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Wrong thread I assume? Yep. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Pidril\_Pidrilych](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@Pidril\_Pidrilych](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pidril_Pidrilych)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3978 "2014-02-27T00:13:42Z")
\*Three different homeowners in Detroit used guns to defend themselves against intruders this week. Two suspects were shot and killed. “I think it’s just a matter of the individual homeowners protecting themselves and finally catching up with the criminals in that enough is enough and they aren’t going to take it anymore,” said Detroit Police Deputy Chief Rodney Johnson\* [http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/wayne-county/3-different-homeowners-use-guns-to-defend-themselves-against-intruders-this-week](http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/wayne-county/3-different-homeowners-use-guns-to-defend-themselves-against-intruders-this-week) You get the feeling folks will one day get tired, send the police home & hire a battalion of vets from ‘Executive Outcomes’ & just let them ‘clean up Sierra Leone’, no questions asked? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3979 "2014-02-27T00:36:08Z")
> [@Pidril\_Pidrilych](#): > > You get the feeling folks will one day get tired, send the police home & hire a battalion of vets from ‘Executive Outcomes’ & just let them ‘clean up Sierra Leone’, no questions asked? Better make sure you get in with the right Warlord. It’s gonna be interesting to see which faction comes out on top. ---
**Author:** ![Pidril\_Pidrilych](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f1d935/32.png) [@Pidril\_Pidrilych](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pidril_Pidrilych)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2014, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/3980 "2014-02-27T01:06:25Z")
The folks in Detroit who shot those animals were lucky (well, not lucky…smart)–they actually had some firearms to protect themselves. Well, there’re still plenty of folks in Detroit who don’t own guns… and they pay for it…dearly…with their lives…When savages like Tenisha, Rashawn, Keshawn and Larry are on the prowl and you live in a Democratic bastion like Detroit, your first 911 option should be sending a bullet in the chamber of your 1911…otherwise… [http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2014302170131](http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2014302170131) \*Tenisha Jackson, 19; Larry Johnson, 20; Rashawn Johnson, 19, and Keeshon Lake, 19, have each been charged with three counts of first-degree murder, three counts of felony murder, two counts of armed robbery and one court of arson, according to police. Larry Johnson has also been charged with possessing heroin and a felony firearms offense. \* … _Detroit Police Sgt. Michael Woody said the men were tortured._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=198) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=200)