# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 210
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4181 "2014-07-01T14:09:58Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > More people in the US die each year from acute alcohol poisoning than from gunshots: > > [http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm](http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm) Wow. What a great point. Nobody has ever brought up alcohol in the gun debate before! You’re a genius! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4182 "2014-07-01T14:58:54Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > More people in the US die each year from acute alcohol poisoning than from gunshots: > > [http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm](http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm) If all gun-related injuries were self-inflicted, they might be treated the same as acute alcohol poisoning. ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4183 "2014-07-01T15:22:06Z")
Of course we try to regulate booze. If memory serves, there one was an attempt to pretty much prohibit it entirely. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4184 "2014-07-01T16:04:06Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > More people in the US die each year from acute alcohol poisoning than from gunshots: > > [http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm](http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm) If you point that bottle of gin at me, you’d better be prepared to use it. > [@](#): > > Gun nut political correctness: It’s not fair to describe someone who shoots people with a gun as a “gunman” or a “shooter.” Well, I hate “gunman” too, but mainly on grammatical grounds. Apparently, if a person picks up a gun, they are no longer a person but some weird machine-biological hybrid. A man who is a gun, or something. And what about gunwomen? We never seem to hear about _them_. OK, I see why people might accuse me of overthinking things at times. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4185 "2014-07-01T17:33:33Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Some actual data and analysis, from the [New England Journal of Medicine](http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506#t=articleResults):Plenty of links there, for those so inclined. Interesting, but the conclusion (“people should be strongly discouraged from keeping guns in their homes”) doesn’t follow from the results of the study. If they had said “people should be strongly discouraged from keeping guns in their homes _for protection_”, then I would be okay with it. I have guns. They’re locked in a safe in the basement The ammunition is locked in another, separately keyed, part of the safe. The keys are kept securely, far away from the safe. I have no fantasies of using a gun to protect my home or family, it’s highly unlikely to occur and it would require an extremely patient intruder. So, no one in my family is going to be shooting anyone else, my kids aren’t going to find a gun and shoot anyone or themselves with it, and I’m not increasing the number of guns in my community. I agree that keeping a loaded gun around is likely to increase your chances of dying by gunshot. Keeping loaded or easily accessible firearms and ammunition around\* should \*be discouraged. Issuing a blanket statement discouraging ownership of firearms seems a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4186 "2014-07-01T17:42:13Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > I have guns. They’re locked in a safe in the basement The ammunition is locked in another, separately keyed, part of the safe. The keys are kept securely, far away from the safe. I have no fantasies of using a gun to protect my home or family, it’s highly unlikely to occur and it would require an extremely patient intruder. > > So, no one in my family is going to be shooting anyone else, my kids aren’t going to find a gun and shoot anyone or themselves with it, and I’m not increasing the number of guns in my community. There’ve been a number of other gun owners who did the same thing and \*thought \*the same thing, but turned out to be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4187 "2014-07-01T17:46:10Z")
You may be correct that a different study that looks at the effectiveness of various storage methods might not find the same increase in risk for people such as yourself. However… > [@August\_West](#): > > So, no one in my family is going to be shooting anyone else, my kids aren’t going to find a gun and shoot anyone or themselves with it, and I’m not increasing the number of guns in my community. While I applaud your use of proper gun storage, your gun safe is not magic. This thread is rife with examples of people who followed all of the proper gun safety rules up until they didn’t. You could still become depressed and choose to kill yourself, or kill a family member in a fit of rage. Your spouse could swipe your keys and kill _you_ in a fit of rage. Your kids could steal your keys and accidentally shoot themselves or a friend, or you could accidentally shoot a family member when retrieving the gun from the safe or returning it after normal use. I don’t know if any of these scenarios are likely, but the sentence I quoted reeks so much of the “I never thought it could happen to me” attitude that is present in so many of the stories posted here where a gun owner let their guard down for 30 seconds while a toddler grabbed a gun that they forgot to unload. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4188 "2014-07-01T19:39:54Z")
I don’t believe “it can’t happen to me”, but rather “I’ve taken enough precautions to prevent it from happening to me”. I learned these lessons the hard way. When I was 12 I figured out where my dad kept his .22 pistol, the magazine, and the ammo, even though he had them in 3 separate places. I put them all together and, luckily, accidentally shot our television. I say “luckily” because any other day it could have been a friend, my sister, or myself. Trust me when I say no one is going to find the keys to my gun safe. My wife doesn’t even want to know. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4189 "2014-07-01T22:25:30Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > If all gun-related injuries were self-inflicted, they might be treated the same as acute alcohol poisoning. So gun suicides don’t count right? > [@Spavined\_Gelding](#): > > Of course we try to regulate booze. If memory serves, there one was an attempt to pretty much prohibit it entirely. And if you could pass a constitutional amendment to ban guns, I think you would have done it already. But please go ahead and try, it doesn’t mean that we have to go along with you. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4190 "2014-07-02T14:02:15Z")
Day one of Georgia’s new “Guns Everywhere” law, and we already have a [good guy confrontation](http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/todays-top-stories/x1736693358/First-day-of-new-gun-law-leads-to-arrest). Guess he hadn’t heard that nobody (including the police) is allowed to ask someone to show their firearms permit. Honor system, you know. No blaze of glory this time. Sorry, freedom-lovers. ☹ Won’t be long, though! 🙂 🙂 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4191 "2014-07-02T14:37:21Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Day one of Georgia’s new “Guns Everywhere” law, and we already have a [good guy confrontation](http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/todays-top-stories/x1736693358/First-day-of-new-gun-law-leads-to-arrest). Guess he hadn’t heard that nobody (including the police) is allowed to ask someone to show their firearms permit. Honor system, you know. > > No blaze of glory this time. Sorry, freedom-lovers. ☹ Won’t be long, though! 🙂 🙂 🙂 And this is a direct result of the fact that the State of Georgia requires no firearm training to issue a license. It’s recommended but not required to take a firearms course which covers (among other things), the laws relating to carrying and using a firearm in public. And that’s just sheer stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4192 "2014-07-02T14:41:21Z")
That convenience store clerk probably never felt safer in his life. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4193 "2014-07-02T15:26:13Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Oklahoma home damaged by 3.5" Howitzer shell fired from vintage artillery piece[at gun range 3 miles away:](http://www.koamtv.com/story/25862613/homeowner-assesses-damage-after-14-inch-artillery-shell-enters-house)Yep. Just a freak accident. No one could have predicted that. Coulda happened to anyone. The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a howitzer is a good guy with a howitzer. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4194 "2014-07-02T16:50:34Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Oklahoma home damaged by 3.5" Howitzer shell fired from vintage artillery piece[at gun range 3 miles away:](http://www.koamtv.com/story/25862613/homeowner-assesses-damage-after-14-inch-artillery-shell-enters-house)Yep. Just a freak accident. No one could have predicted that. Coulda happened to anyone. The Mythbusters have stepped up their game. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4195 "2014-07-02T19:01:42Z")
The provisions recently enacted in Georgia and derided as the “Guns Everwhere” law is substantially identical to the carry law that’s been in place in Minnesota for several years now. If you’re a permit holder in Minnesota it is not illegal to carry in a bar, a church, a private college or any other private property unless the owners choose to ban guns, and then a first offense is only misdemeanor trespass. Carrying without permission at a public primary or secondary school is illegal but principals can issue written permission on a case-by-case basis. Carry is permitted in many government buildings, and others would allow carry by prior notification, except that currently court orders circumventing the carry law are in place in many MN counties. In short, Minnesota has carry laws that gun-control advocates insist would be Wild West anarchy. And nothing has happened. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4196 "2014-07-15T21:55:46Z")
[Police: Michigan woman pulls out shotgun ‘to make a point,’ accidentally shoots herself in the face](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/15/michigan-woman-pulls-shotgun-to-make-a-point-and-shoots-self-in-face/) ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4197 "2014-07-15T22:24:45Z")
Ikea enforces “No Guns” policy- against town police chief: > **[Ikea Asks Uniformed Police Chief to Put Gun in Car or Leave](https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2014/07/08/ikea-store-asked-uniformed-officer-to-put-gun-in-car-or-leave/)** > > On July 4 a uniformed police officer entered a Tacoma Park, Maryland, Ikea store and was told to go lock his gun in the squad car or ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4198 "2014-07-19T19:53:13Z")
Attackers call 911 to report victim fired gun: [http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Sheriff-Men-beat-man-with-bat-but-call-police-when-he-fires-gun-267392041.html](http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Sheriff-Men-beat-man-with-bat-but-call-police-when-he-fires-gun-267392041.html) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2014, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4199 "2014-07-23T23:32:25Z")
What’s the perfect backdrop to combine gun-carry advocacy and denunciation of the President as an illegitimate interloper who should be removed? > [@](#): > > [Open Carry Activists Hold Event at Dealey Plaza, Site of Kennedy Assassination](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/video-open-carry-protest-dealey-plaza) > > A group of open carry gun activists who protested Saturday at Dealey Plaza in Dallas filmed a bizarre, more-than-10-minute video of their demonstration and posted it to YouTube. > > One activist appeared on camera to explain that the group, which the Dallas Observer identified as Come And Take It Dallas, gathers every third Saturday of the month to pass out Second Amendment literature. The same speaker then went on a rant against foreigners and refers to President Barack Obama as a “usurper foreigner” born in Kenya… Bonus points for this cogent observation (starting at about 4:05 in the video). > [@](#): > > I am just sick and tired of these foreigners who don’t understand what American freedom is all about, they basically don’t even celebrate July the 4th. They don’t understand, and especially these folks from Britain – and I got some good friends from Britain – but I talk to a lot of people from Britain that don’t celebrate July the 4th. The stoopid… it burns… it burnsssss usssssss… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4200 "2014-07-24T19:33:20Z")
Apparently property really is theft, and you need a gun to defend [your right to trespass](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/24/minnesota-man-guns-down-teen-girl-after-she-asks-him-to-stop-riding-lawnmower-in-her-yard/). > [@](#): > > A Minnesota man who admitted shooting a 17-year-old girl multiple times because she asked him to stop trespassing on his riding lawnmower has been charged with attempted first-degree murder. > … > The teen told investigators that she had asked Pickering not to ride his lawnmower through her yard. She also said that he often carried a pistol with him on the lawnmower. > > When the girl later went outside to tie up her barking dog, she saw someone crouching, and then felt three bullets strike her. She said that she could not walk, but was able to pull herself into the house to call 911. But it’s OK, because he’s law enforcement trained, and therefore can be absolutely trusted. > [@](#): > > WCCO reported that Pickering had been employed at the Northwestern Minnesota Juvenile Center as a corrections worker until June 9 of this year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=209) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=211)