# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 212
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4221 "2014-08-27T00:11:44Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Can someone explain how a recoiling gun can kill someone? I can’t picture what happened. Best (uninformed) guess: the trainer was standing behind her, leaning over with his hands on hers to guide her. She got knocked on her ass and the gun trailed upwards; he caught a bullet under the chin. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4222 "2014-08-27T02:21:20Z")
The Uzi is recoil operated. The bolt (with the firing pin) is forced backwards against a spring with the first round is fired. The bolt is driven forward by the spring; a lip on the bolt strips a cartridge from the magazine and forces it into the chamber where the firing pin (driven by its own striker pin) hits the cartridge primer. Sets off the propellant and the bullet goes down range. The action repeats if set in “full auto” mode until ammo is all expended or the trigger is released. In semi-auto mode, a sear pin pops back up and interrupts the bolt travel after each round is fired. The trigger then has to be pulled again to fire a round. Some of our gun people can offer a better more technical explanation but that’s about what goes on. In full auto, the barrel (short as it is in an Uzi) will attempt to climb from recoil. A 9mm round doesn’t “kick” that much except to a young girl. You also have a substantial weight to the bolt which is reciprocating back and forth. An inexperienced person will fight the recoil by gripping tighter. They won’t/can’t release the trigger. An experienced shooter will anticipate the climb and better control the weapon. Sounds like the first round was in semi-auto; one trigger pull - one round. When switched to full auto, the girl simply lost control of the weapon. She had no idea how much the weapon would jump. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4223 "2014-08-27T08:28:08Z")
This probably had a very traumatic effect on the girl: hopefully the shooting instructor’s estate (as well as the shooting range) will have to pay substantial damages to her. ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4224 "2014-08-27T10:23:40Z")
[http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/article/death-at-the-gun-range-five-firearm-deaths-in-firearm-friendly-environments/index.html](http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/article/death-at-the-gun-range-five-firearm-deaths-in-firearm-friendly-environments/index.html) Let’s not forget October, 2008 when Christopher Bizilj (8 years old) fired an Uzi at a shooting range. The recoil caused the gun to kick up and discharge a fatal round into this young kid’s head. I’m surprised this tragic incident hasn’t been brought up in any of the news stories concerning the recent fatal shooting range incident. Shouldn’t people realize (especially with two fatal accidents) that children should NOT operate machine guns? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4225 "2014-08-27T12:13:17Z")
> [@wolf\_meister](#): > > [http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/article/death-at-the-gun-range-five-firearm-deaths-in-firearm-friendly-environments/index.html](http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/article/death-at-the-gun-range-five-firearm-deaths-in-firearm-friendly-environments/index.html) > > Let’s not forget October, 2008 when Christopher Bizilj (8 years old) fired an Uzi at a shooting range. The recoil caused the gun to kick up and discharge a fatal round into this young kid’s head. > [@](#): > > “It’s all legal & fun — No permits or licenses required!!!,” read the Westfield Sportsman’s Club October 2008 advertisement for their “Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo.” You might want to bring your own ambulance, though. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4226 "2014-08-27T16:50:18Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Isn’t it great that 9 year old girls can find a place to fire automatic weapons? I mean, how fun is that? > > And I’m sure that nothing bad would happen. A 9 year old is plenty strong and experienced enough to handle the recoil from such a weapon. > > [Right? Right?](http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/26/nine-year-old-girl-accidentally-kills-arizona-shooting-instructor-with-an-uzi-police-say/) The dead instructor’s Facebook page [makes it hard to feel sorry for his death](http://www.balloon-juice.com/2014/08/26/bitter-irony/). (Note: link isn’t to his actual Facebook page, but to a post on the Balloon Juice blog that has some of his FB page’s greatest hits.) The [Las Vegas Review-Journal’s story](http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/shooting-instructor-dies-after-being-accidentally-shot-girl) about the shooting notes: “The Bullets and Burgers website markets a unique shooting experience for customers.” Can’t complain about their truth in advertising, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4227 "2014-08-27T17:11:43Z")
He was a shooting instructor, teaching a 9-year-old how to shoot. And she shot him. No irony there. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4228 "2014-08-27T17:13:48Z")
I hope they put it back on semi-auto before they handed it back to her. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4229 "2014-08-27T17:14:14Z")
There is now a separate thread on the Uzi shooting: > **[Of course a nine-year-old girl can handle a Uzi, right?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=732213)** > > Guess not. I really can’t imagine what parents, gun range or instructor could be thinking… presupposing they had the equipment to think in the first place. Gun training for kids? Sure, I guess. Handing an alley broom to a kid for the fun of it?... ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4230 "2014-08-27T20:23:06Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2014, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4231 "2014-08-28T06:22:55Z")
Doesn’t it make you sick how the anti-gun leftists are ridiculing the idea of 9-year olds with Uzis? Of course we need our kids to help with the shooting when Obama comes to take our families to the death camps. The problem isn’t letting a 9-year old handle a gun. The problem was _waiting till she was nine_. She should have been practicing with revolvers at age 3 or 4, building arm strength, and using semi-automatics by age 6 or 7. I used to think 3 or 4 years old was too young to handle a gun, but look at all the 4 year olds being killed by their 6-year old brothers. 4-year olds need to Stand their Ground too. [Here’s a British website ridiculing American kids with guns](http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/apr/29/armed-to-the-milk-teeth-america-gun-toting-kids). Ridiculing hunting rifles no less; those aren’t even military assault rifles! Fuck off Britain, if we wanted your opinion we’d shoot it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4232 "2014-08-29T03:16:28Z")
> [@Saintly\_Loser](#): > > Holy shit. What a loon. I’d feel safer if this asshole was locked up for the rest of his life. Or at least for the rest of my life. > > The story to which you link says that the lunatic was arrested in an earlier incident in which he went to the airport with a loaded gun. I’m pretty sure that was illegal. > [@](#): > > He lets his _kid_ carry a gun. A real gun. Minor in this case could mean a 17 year old. > [@](#): > > You know what? I used to be kind of open-minded about the gun issue, but now I think it’s time to repeal the Second Amendment. No more arguments about what it means or what it permits or what state laws should allow or not allow, or who should be able to carry a concealed gun or an openly displayed gun. > > Let’s just repeal the fucking amendment. Or amend it. Let people have their hunting weapons and shotguns, and carry them when they’re hunting. And that’s all. No handguns, no walking around streets and airports scaring the shit out of children, no more. > > Let’s be done with it. You are welcome to try. All you need is 2/3rds of each house of congress and 3/4ths of the states. Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2014, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4233 "2014-09-07T23:41:00Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Doesn’t it make you sick how the anti-gun leftists are ridiculing the idea of 9-year olds with Uzis? Of course we need our kids to help with the shooting when Obama comes to take our families to the death camps. > > The problem isn’t letting a 9-year old handle a gun. The problem was _waiting till she was nine_. She should have been practicing with revolvers at age 3 or 4, building arm strength, and using semi-automatics by age 6 or 7. > > I used to think 3 or 4 years old was too young to handle a gun, but look at all the 4 year olds being killed by their 6-year old brothers. 4-year olds need to Stand their Ground too. > > [Here’s a British website ridiculing American kids with guns](http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/apr/29/armed-to-the-milk-teeth-america-gun-toting-kids). Ridiculing hunting rifles no less; those aren’t even military assault rifles! Fuck off Britain, if we wanted your opinion we’d shoot it out of you. [And Davie Crockett kilt him a bahr when he was only three.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txcRQedoEyY) [Idaho Arms Teachers; Teacher Shoots Himself In Foot On First Week Of Classes](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/09/05/idaho-arms-teachers-teacher-shoots-himself-in-foot-on-first-week-of-classes/) > [@](#): > > This summer, Idaho’s legislature voted to allow teachers to bring firearms into classrooms in an attempt to dissuade school shootings. It was less than a week into this school year and an Idaho professor already accidentally shot himself in the foot in front of his students. Ouch. That smarts. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4234 "2014-09-11T19:49:05Z")
Utah elementary school teacher carrying a concealed firearm accidentally [shoots herself](http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2024513664_apxteacheraccidentalshooting.html)in the bathroom. My favorite part: > [@](#): > > Utah is among the few states that allow people with concealed-weapons permits to carry guns in public schools, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Teachers are not required to disclose that they are carrying a weapon, and administrators are prohibited from asking. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4235 "2014-09-11T22:52:18Z")
That is positively chilling. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4236 "2014-09-14T04:20:22Z")
[Young black man was shot in Utah for wearing a toy sword while black](http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58409680-78/hunt-family-police-sword.html.csp). Darrien Hunt was shot in the back while moving away from the cops who shot in self-defense. Moving away doesn’t work, not brandishing toys doesn’t work, raising arms in surrender doesn’t work; is there an instruction manual for blacks on how to avoid being shot by police? ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4237 "2014-09-14T05:25:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [Young black man was shot in Utah for wearing a toy sword while black](http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58409680-78/hunt-family-police-sword.html.csp). > > Darrien Hunt was shot in the back while moving away from the cops who shot in self-defense. Moving away doesn’t work, not brandishing toys doesn’t work, raising arms in surrender doesn’t work; is there an instruction manual for blacks on how to avoid being shot by police? For the record, the “toy” was a blunted steel blade that, and I quote, “would not cut much.” That said, police lying and saying he lunged for them when all the bullet-wounds were on his back is a pretty big indicator of malfeasance on their part. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2014, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4238 "2014-09-14T12:32:40Z")
A western Colorado woman is accused of pointing a rifle at several children in a neighboring backyard because she was upset that an 11-year-old boy was playing his clarinet outside. > **[HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News](https://www.huffpost.com/?err_code=404&err_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2014%2F09%2F12%2Fwoman-points-rifle-boy-clarinet_n_5811786.html%3Futm_hp_ref%3Dtw)** > > Read the latest headlines, news stories, and opinion from Politics, Entertainment, Life, Perspectives, and more. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4239 "2014-09-15T14:43:23Z")
What, is she crazy? I can’t _get_ my boy to practice his music! I threaten to shoot him if he _won’t_ play. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2014, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4240 "2014-09-15T15:10:25Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > A western Colorado woman is accused of pointing a rifle at several children in a neighboring backyard because she was upset that an 11-year-old boy was playing his clarinet outside. > > [http://huff.to/X7S9mF](http://huff.to/X7S9mF) You know you’re no Benny Goodman when . . . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=211) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=213)