# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4281 "2014-10-08T15:04:57Z")

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[A guy open-carrying gets robbed - of his gun](http://koin.com/2014/10/07/man-practicing-open-carry-law-robbed-of-gun/).

Poetic justice, no?

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**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4282 "2014-10-08T15:07:10Z")

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If only he’d even more guns he could have … I got nothin’

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4283 "2014-10-08T15:26:38Z")

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The next big thing will therefore be “open-brandishing” – carrying a gun, openly, in your hand, and pointing at everyone whom you encounter. That way, no one will ever rob you of your gun!

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**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4284 "2014-10-08T15:43:22Z")

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I can’t stop laughing. 😃

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4285 "2014-10-08T15:49:44Z")

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After “open brandishing” goes on for a while, someone will be robbed of their openly brandished gun because they were snuck up from behind and a gun jabbed into their back.

Which will start “team-open-brandishing”, in which two or more Open Brandishers crab walk, back to back, pointing their guns in all directions, such that every arc is covered.

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**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4286 "2014-10-08T22:43:50Z")

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[Oregon open carrier has his gun stolen from him at gun point](http://gawker.com/open-carrying-guy-has-his-brand-new-pistol-stolen-at-gu-1644022889?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow).

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4287 "2014-10-08T22:51:12Z")

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> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> [Oregon open carrier has his gun stolen from him at gun point](http://gawker.com/open-carrying-guy-has-his-brand-new-pistol-stolen-at-gu-1644022889?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow).

You are 5 posts late to the party.

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**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\
**Post date:** [October 8, 2014, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4288 "2014-10-08T23:38:10Z")

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Well, Damn, I clicked on “View First Unread” and nothing came up.

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**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4289 "2014-10-09T05:09:52Z")

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OK, how about this one?  
[Memphis cop has his gun stolen from the men’s room at a shopping mall](http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/10/08/cops-gun-stolen-from-bathroom/).

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**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4290 "2014-10-09T10:53:10Z")

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In the Lawful Gun Owner Until He Does Something Unlawful / Having Guns In The House Increases The Odds Of Being Shot department …

Doctor, and [“gun enthusiast”](http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/08/us/indiana-wedding-couple-murder-suicide/index.html?hpt=hp_t2) (with a federal firearms license), shoots and kills his bride (literally; they were married earlier that day) then kills himself next to his gun safe when the cops close in and evacuate the house.

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**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4291 "2014-10-09T11:47:37Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> After “open brandishing” goes on for a while, someone will be robbed of their openly brandished gun because they were snuck up from behind and a gun jabbed into their back.
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> Which will start “team-open-brandishing”, in which two or more Open Brandishers crab walk, back to back, pointing their guns in all directions, such that every arc is covered.

In New York City they call it [“wilding”.](http://www.nydailynews.com/services/central-park-five/park-marauders-call-wilding-article-1.1304526)

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2014, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4292 "2014-10-09T15:33:29Z")

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> [@Lumpy](#):
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> Um… so you think people shouldn’t own or use hunting rifles? Plain old ordinary 5-round manual action hunting rifles? With a hunting license?
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> I don’t know if this was a case of negligence (hunting too close to a residential area) or just a freak accident. But this apparently had nothing to do with “Stand Your Ground”, handguns, assault rifles, concealed carry, or any of the other usual bugbears.

Well, I thought the NRA was all for people being able to have whatever guns they wanted, whenever and wherever they wanted, but they supported having serious penalties for any resulting mayhem.

Looks like I was right about one out of two.

Unless you’re using a gun in justifiable self-defense, my take is that you should be legally responsible for whatever damage results from any of the bullets you fire, because in all other situations, _you don’t need to fire any bullets at all_. You’re engaging in an activity that carries the potential of causing great harm, and doing so completely by your own choice, without any necessity, and without any benefit to society at large. If you’re going to do something like that, then AFAIAC it’s up to you to make extra special sure that nobody’s going to be harmed when that bullet goes wherever it goes.

And even if you don’t buy into the above as a whole, then surely you must do so for gunplay in a location where there are other people’s _residences_ within the range of your bullets.

Back in the heyday of urban gangs, people used to make a big deal about how bullets would sometimes go into people’s houses and apartments, and someone could get killed that way, and wasn’t it awful and we need tougher laws to throw young black hoodlums in prison forever.

And AFAIAC, urban or rural, people really shouldn’t have to worry about bullets going into their houses, or whizzing through the air in their yards.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4293 "2014-10-15T20:01:04Z")

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[Relates to GamerGate:](http://www.salon.com/2014/10/15/when_gun_rights_trump_public_safety/) Anita Sarkeesian was set to speak at Utah State University. USU received death threats promising “the deadliest school shooting in American history” if she did.

> [@](#):
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> On Tuesday, the University announced that it intended to still hold the event, despite the warning that “feminists have ruined my life and I will have my revenge, for my sake and the sake of all the others they’ve wronged.” University spokesman Tim Vitale told the Standard Examiner that the school had consulted with federal, local and state law enforcement and determined it was safe to go on with the appearance, noting that “They determined the threat seems to be consistent with ones [Sarkeesian] has received at other places around the nation. The threat we received is not out of the norm for [her.]” Yep, just your typical, run of the mill, everyday let’s-kill-the-feminists thing. Your basic vow of a “Montreal Massacre-style attack,” a promise that “I have at my disposal a semi-automatic rifle, multiple pistols, and a collection of pipe. This will be the deadliest school shooting in American history and I’m giving you a chance to stop it… One way or another, I’m going to make sure they die… She is going to die screaming like the craven little whore that she is if you let her come to USU…. I will write my manifesto in her spilled blood, and you will all bear witness to what feminist lies and poison have done to the men of America” letter. As you do. The school promised additional security around the event, and “not allowing large bags or backpacks inside.”
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> What it did not do, however, and the reason Sarkeesian ultimately canceled, was actually commit to stopping people from bringing in guns. As Sarkeesian explained on Twitter late Tuesday, “Forced to cancel my talk at USU after receiving death threats because police wouldn’t take steps to prevent concealed firearms at the event… Requested pat downs or metal detectors after mass shooting threat but because of Utah’s open carry laws police wouldn’t do firearm searches.” The University echoed her remarks in a statement that explained, “Sarkeesian asked if weapons will be permitted at the speaking venue. Sarkeesian was informed that, in accordance with the State of Utah law regarding the carrying of firearms, if a person has a valid concealed firearm permit and is carrying a weapon, they are permitted to have it at the venue.”

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**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4294 "2014-10-15T20:57:38Z")

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I don’t suppose she considered getting vetted permit holders to volunteer as bodyguards? Having fifty open-carriers at the ready might have made Internet Tough Guy reconsider.

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4295 "2014-10-15T23:30:37Z")

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> [@Lumpy](#):
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> I don’t suppose she considered getting vetted permit holders to volunteer as bodyguards? Having fifty open-carriers at the ready might have made Internet Tough Guy reconsider.

Yeah, what could go wrong with that? :rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4296 "2014-10-16T14:58:06Z")

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> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> Yeah, what could go wrong with that? :rolleyes:

It’s categories! Internet Tough Guys (note the capitalization) are a completely independent set from Open Carriers/Heroes. It’s a white hat mentality. In fact, it’s a White Hat Mentality.

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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4297 "2014-10-25T05:34:06Z")

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[YASS (Marysville-Pilchuck HS in WA, 1 fatality + shooter suicide)](http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/24/seattle-high-school-shooting-marysville/17841387/), sorry not to have something more interesting to contribute.

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4298 "2014-10-25T15:19:29Z")

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Edit: duplicate

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**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4299 "2014-10-25T15:22:52Z")

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> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> [A guy open-carrying gets robbed - of his gun](http://koin.com/2014/10/07/man-practicing-open-carry-law-robbed-of-gun/).
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> Poetic justice, no?

> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> The next big thing will therefore be “open-brandishing” – carrying a gun, openly, in your hand, and pointing at everyone whom you encounter. That way, no one will ever rob you of your gun!

But yet, if the open carrier would have shot the robber we’d have a entire thread dedicated to criticizing stand your ground laws and how the guy open carrying should be charged, etc.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4300 "2014-10-25T17:13:58Z")

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[This one](http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/2014/10/25/woman-finds-naked-man-with-her-pitbull-and-gets-weirder-from-there/NhKsNJSccLPZgs2h7izSFP/story.html?p1=Topofpage:sub_headline_1) is too good not to share even if it’s a “defensive gun use”.

> [@](#):
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> Alice Woodruff told the Republican American (note: there’s a paywall) that she heard a commotion in her backyard, only to discover a strange, naked man with her 12-year-old pitbull Layla-Ali, whom he was violating inside of a circle creepily arranged with his discarded clothes.
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> “The man started to ‘gazelle’ across the yard, saying ‘Today is the day!’ and ‘I am the anti-Christ and you’re going to die with me,’” Woodruff told the paper. “He kept saying he was with ISIS and he had Ebola, that he gave the dog Ebola.” Okay.
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> Woodruff said she fired a warning shot into the ground to scare off the intruder, though the move didn’t help—the man reportedly responded by looking to the sky, adopting a Christ-on-the-cross pose and daring Woodruff to kill him.

But it gets better:

> [@](#):
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> Acting on a hunch the man may be suffering from mental illness, police took him to St. Mary’s Hospital, where he was later committed.

Good hunch, officers. 😉

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