# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 224
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4461 "2015-02-10T18:12:32Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > None of this will make the slightest difference. Paranoid NRA members will just respond by adding to their stockpile of security guns. These guy have advanced way beyond normal thought patterns: they can only think of themselves and their own precious posteriors. > > And let’s not pretend they have any sort of concern for their friends and loved ones. No: gun ownership is all about homicidal fantasies. Indeed they believe their kids are lucky if they get away with beatings: it beats a bullet in their head by Dad after all. That’s what guns are for. > > [Cite](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nra-board-member-texas-bullet-in-kid). I’m not attacking the NRA in this post: I’m just making a calm reasoned description of their perspective and mentality, along with a contrast between them and normal people. Statistically speaking. Your cite does not say what you claim it says. The cite is saying that a paddling today might prevent a shooting in the future. The obvious assumption being made is that kids corporal punishment prevents delinquency and eventual criminality. I don’t think this is true but they are not saying that their kids are lucky they are getting paddled rather than shot. These random mass shootings are horrible but they represent a teeny tiny sliver of gun deaths in America. Most gun murders are committed by people who are not allowed to possess guns in the first place. As long as your side of this argument continues to treat all gun owners as fungible potential murderers, you will keep losing on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4462 "2015-02-10T18:18:54Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > this one is not exactly stupid, but it is sad and unfortunate It is sad but I don’t know that anything would have prevented that suicide. In fact, while suicides make up the majority of gun deaths in America (a country awash in guns), our suicide rate is dead fucking average for industrialized nations (even if you ignore the high suicide rates in East Asian countries). If guns increased the prevalence of suicide, you would think that our suicide rate would be at the top of the spectrum but they’re not, they are right in the middle of the pack. With that said, we need better mental health care. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4463 "2015-02-10T18:24:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > It is sad but I don’t know that anything would have prevented that suicide. In fact, while suicides make up the majority of gun deaths in America (a country awash in guns), our suicide rate is dead fucking average for industrialized nations (even if you ignore the high suicide rates in East Asian countries). If guns increased the prevalence of suicide, you would think that our suicide rate would be at the top of the spectrum but they’re not, they are right in the middle of the pack. It might be that life here is better than we think, and that without guns our suicide rate would be far _below_ average. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4464 "2015-02-11T11:49:29Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The cite is saying that a paddling today might prevent a shooting in the future. The obvious assumption being made is that kids corporal punishment prevents delinquency and eventual criminality. I guess we here on the other side of the pond should be very, very afraid then. Some countries - like mine - have outlawed violence against children (perhaps better known as “paddling” or “corporal punishment” to some people) several years ago. I guess we have to prepare for the inevitable wave of juvenile delinquency and mass shootings. Funny it hasn’t happened already, though… ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4465 "2015-02-11T14:25:02Z")
What I don’t get is why gun-related deaths are considered a holocaust-level crisis _now_, any more than at any time in the last 150 years. Revolvers date to the Civil War era, semi-automatics to the end of the 19th century. Murders, suicides, lethal accidents, and even massacres committed with firearms have been happening all along. Why weren’t people demanding stricter gun control for example after [a maniac killed 8 and wounded 32 back in 1915](http://www.glynngen.com/history/bwkmassacre.htm)? The only reason I can see is that back then crimes were considered the evil deeds of individuals who had abdicated moral responsibility, to be addressed by upbringing and retribution. Now they’re considered the epidemiological result of social forces, to be addressed by changes in the social environment, including the availability of weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4466 "2015-02-11T14:34:43Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > The only reason I can see is that back then crimes were considered the evil deeds of individuals who had abdicated moral responsibility, to be addressed by upbringing and retribution. Now they’re considered the epidemiological result of social forces, to be addressed by changes in the social environment, including the availability of weapons. Well stated. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4467 "2015-02-11T15:44:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > It might be that life here is better than we think, and that without guns our suicide rate would be far _below_ average. That’s why I only compare suicide rates in industrialized countries. Presumably life here is not much worse than life in Western European countries like France or Germany. I don’t doubt there may be some marginal reduction of suicides if we were somehow able to repeal the suicides and ban guns entirely but that would require a very large shift in public opinion. I think it would be a much lighter lift to get the public to change the way it thinks about mental illness and focus on better mental healthcare. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4468 "2015-02-11T15:51:40Z")
> [@Norse](#): > > I guess we here on the other side of the pond should be very, very afraid then. Some countries - like mine - have outlawed violence against children (perhaps better known as “paddling” or “corporal punishment” to some people) several years ago. I guess we have to prepare for the inevitable wave of juvenile delinquency and mass shootings. Funny it hasn’t happened already, though… I don’t agree with the notion that corporal punishment should be liberally applied but I do believe that the initial post characterized the article to say that some guy said that his kids were lucky to only be paddled because he could be shooting them instead. Reasonable people can disagree on the costs/benefits of corporal punishment in the development of a child but I don’t think its reasonable to characterize gun owners this way. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4469 "2015-02-11T16:08:38Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Why weren’t people demanding stricter gun control for example after [a maniac killed 8 and wounded 32 back in 1915](http://www.glynngen.com/history/bwkmassacre.htm)? Who says they weren’t calling for gun control? They used to make you [surrender your guns](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler/did-the-wild-west-have-mo_b_956035.html) when you entered a town: > [@](#): > > When Dodge City residents organized their municipal government, do you know what the very first law they passed was? A gun control law. They declared that “any person or persons found carrying concealed weapons in the city of Dodge or violating the laws of the State shall be dealt with according to law.” Many frontier towns, including Tombstone, Arizona–the site of the infamous “Shootout at the OK Corral”–also barred the carrying of guns openly. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4470 "2015-02-11T19:50:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > don’t think its reasonable to characterize gun owners this way. Say, what? My post had nothing to do with gun owners and everything to do with the insinuation that if you don’t beat kids they’re more prone to grow up to be juvenile delinquents and mass murderers. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2015, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4471 "2015-02-12T18:36:37Z")
> [@Norse](#): > > Say, what? > > My post had nothing to do with gun owners and everything to do with the insinuation that if you don’t beat kids they’re more prone to grow up to be juvenile delinquents and mass murderers. I said: “the initial post characterized the article” I was also referring to the initial post (by M2M) when I said that it was wrong to characterize gun owners this way. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4472 "2015-02-14T19:35:21Z")
While a police officer was getting ready for work, he removed the magazine from his service weapon and laid it on his bed. His [ten-year-old daughter picked it up and fired the chambered round into her 8-y/o sister’s belly](http://www.apnews.com/ap/db_268743/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=fdXqGIk9). The 8-y/o is in stable condition. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4473 "2015-02-15T15:49:10Z")
The police in Pasco, Washington, population 59,000, have shot and killed more people in the last six months than all police in the UK and Germany combined, total population 160,000,000. Yes the gun fetishism disease that the US suffers from includes police, making them more inclined to use guns as a first resort. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4474 "2015-02-15T16:04:14Z")
Either that, or maybe British and German cops are lousy shots. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4475 "2015-02-19T15:43:37Z")
> [@](#): > > A tragic woman who shot herself in the eye was adjusting a handgun in her bra, it has been revealed. Christina Bond died of her injuries in Michigan on New Years Day. The 55-year-old was rushed to hospital by helicopter when police responded to a call, but it was too late to save her. > > St Joseph public safety director Mark Clapp said: "She was having trouble adjusting her bra holster, couldn’t get it to fit the way she wanted it to. “She was looking down at it and accidentally discharged the weapon.” > **[Woman shot herself in the eye while adjusting bra gun holster](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/christina-bond-ex-navy-officer-5188326)** > > More details of her death emerged after the shocking New Year's Day incident ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4476 "2015-02-19T16:48:39Z")
Here’s the same story, reported in a much more enjoyable fashion: > **[Wingnut Lady Shoots Self Dead While Adjusting Boob-Gun](https://www.wonkette.com/wingnut-lady-shoots-self-dead-while-adjusting-boob-gun)** > > A minor official in the Michigan Republican Party who was found dead on New Year's Day apparently did not take her own life. Instead, new information released Wednesday indicates that Christina Bond died while adjusting a gun in a bra holster. At... ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4477 "2015-02-19T17:02:27Z")
Although she was a wingnut, it’s still sad that she died so young. If I was a headline writer, I’d find it hard to resist using “Titty Titty Bang Bang”. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4478 "2015-02-20T01:31:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The police in Pasco, Washington, population 59,000, have shot and killed more people in the last six months than all police in the UK and Germany combined, total population 160,000,000. Yes the gun fetishism disease that the US suffers from includes police, making them more inclined to use guns as a first resort. Nah, it’s the fault of them libruls, who kept bleat’n about cops usin’ their nightsticks too much. Gotta’ get a lesson across somehow… ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4479 "2015-02-20T01:49:47Z")
I have been to Pasco, several times, I can imagine if one had to live there, it might make one trigger happy. Okay, not exactly “to” Pasco, more like “through” Pasco, but I have been _to_ Richland and _to_ Kennewick, so same thing really ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4480 "2015-02-20T02:18:13Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Tthe gun fetishism disease that the US suffers from I believe the scientific term is ammosexual. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=223) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=225)