# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 230
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4581 "2015-05-09T20:28:23Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I can’t really take you seriously unless you throw some pools and ladders in there too. Clever\*. You introduced the DUI comparison and then cast aspersions on other comparisons not made. I think it’s clear who should be taken seriously. \*not really - this is mockery. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2015, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4582 "2015-05-09T23:40:38Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I can’t really take you seriously unless you throw some pools and ladders in there too. I can’t really take you seriously unless you stop being an idiot. Bone, bless him, is still polite and patient with jerk-offs like you. I don’t see the point, but maybe he’s just good-hearted. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2015, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4583 "2015-05-09T23:50:29Z")
I know it makes your nipples hard to cite death totals and shit, but I didn’t bring up any DUI comparisons. I brought up your dopey notion of what control is. You want unfettered access to guns, no matter what. I, cleverly (thanks), pointed out that there is nothing in there that approaches sensible gun-control laws. That is insensible, gun-free-fire laws. Hence my oh so hilarious skit involving mowing down nuns and children. The old trick, address the comment you wish they would have made. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2015, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4584 "2015-05-09T23:51:31Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I can’t really take you seriously unless you stop being an idiot. > > Bone, bless him, is still polite and patient with jerk-offs like you. I don’t see the point, but maybe he’s just good-hearted. Gee thanks, Miss Manners. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4585 "2015-05-10T01:19:16Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > You want unfettered access to guns, no matter what. I, cleverly (thanks), pointed out that there is nothing in there that approaches sensible gun-control laws. That is insensible, gun-free-fire laws. I’d accept any gun-control laws that would pass the same strict-scrutiny standard that applies to freedom of the press or of religion. Until such is held by the SCOTUS to be enshrined in the 2nd Amendment, then gun owners have to fight “sensible” gun-control because too many people consider sensible to mean a government monopoly on firearms. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4586 "2015-05-10T02:02:13Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I’d accept any gun-control laws that would pass the same strict-scrutiny standard that applies to freedom of the press or of religion. Until such is held by the SCOTUS to be enshrined in the 2nd Amendment, then gun owners have to fight “sensible” gun-control because too many people consider sensible to mean a government monopoly on firearms. +1, well said. “Freedom of speech,” applies to burning a flag. I’m okay with that concept, but you should not feel free to read the Second Amendment as narrowly as you possibly can while at the same time read the First Amendment so expansively. Pick a standard and apply it consistently. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4587 "2015-05-10T02:53:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > +1, well said. > > “Freedom of speech,” applies to burning a flag. I’m okay with that concept, but you should not feel free to read the Second Amendment as narrowly as you possibly can while at the same time read the First Amendment so expansively. Pick a standard and apply it consistently. Because, by golly, life is simple and one is just the same as the other. In fact, why don’t we make it one great big amendment and stick all our rights in it and enforce them all absolutely equally? Why shouldn’t I have the right to fire off a weapon every time someone else fires off their mouth? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2015, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4588 "2015-05-10T03:12:36Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I know it makes your nipples hard to cite death totals and shit, but **I didn’t bring up any DUI comparisons**. … Granted, **[Fear Itself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18351063&postcount=4570)** introduced the idea, but you [continued with it](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18352046&postcount=4573). > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > in deference to **Bone** ’s notion of “control,” I’ve stated that I will drink as much as I want any time I want and that includes \*\*while driving \*\*through a school zone next to a church on Easter Sunday. And fuck all you namby-pamby anti-alcohol pussies because that’s my God-given right! > > But don’t worry … I’ll be careful. Trust me. My bold in the above - but your error. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4589 "2015-05-12T16:12:22Z")
Who hasn’t wished they could [just shoot reckless drivers?](http://www.adn.com/article/20150512/nikiski-woman-faces-attempted-murder-charges-shooting-passing-vehicle) > [@](#): > > Troopers said that shortly before 8 p.m. Monday, they received a report from a motorist who said he’d been shot at while driving his car near Island Lake Road in Nikiski. When troopers responded to the scene, they found 31-year-old Alice Gray, who “admitted she fired multiple rounds into the victim’s vehicle as it passed her on the roadway because she thought he was driving recklessly,” they wrote. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4590 "2015-05-18T23:44:18Z")
[Biker gang shootout kills 9 outside Waco, Texas, restaurant](http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/18/us/texas-biker-gang-brawl-shooting/index.html) Bunch of people were wounded as well. Police confiscated over 100 weapons and arrested 170 people. Seeing as this was Texas, the guns were likely to have been legal. As many as four of the deaths may have been due to police shootings. (Would seem to have been well justified.) The cops were on site and the bikers knew and did not care anyway. I’m half expecting at least one right wing blogger to say this incident is a provocation to justify the Jade Helm 15 takeover. I won’t be reading wingnut blogs to prove myself correct. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2015, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4591 "2015-05-18T23:50:13Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Biker gang shootout kills 9 outside Waco, Texas, restaurant](http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/18/us/texas-biker-gang-brawl-shooting/index.html) > > Bunch of people were wounded as well. Police confiscated over 100 weapons and arrested 170 people. Seeing as this was Texas, the guns were likely to have been legal. > > As many as four of the deaths may have been due to police shootings. (Would seem to have been well justified.) > > The cops were on site and the bikers knew and did not care anyway. > > I’m half expecting at least one right wing blogger to say this incident is a provocation to justify the Jade Helm 15 takeover. I won’t be reading wingnut blogs to prove myself correct. Violent criminals perform acts of violent crime. Your penetrating insight that allowed you to pick up on this should be the envy of sociologists worldwide. Bravo, sir, bravo. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4592 "2015-05-19T10:29:23Z")
Good point. Hell I’m surprised it even made the news. It’s not like the deaths even reached double digits. Just another weekend in Texas, really, when you think about it. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4593 "2015-05-19T11:48:02Z")
[Startled teen shoots and kills friend](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TEEN_DEAD_IN_DRIVEWAY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2015, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4594 "2015-05-19T11:58:35Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > [Startled teen shoots and kills friend](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TEEN_DEAD_IN_DRIVEWAY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) Or as the NRA would put it, “Hero uses 2nd Amendment Rights to Thwart Potential Home Invasion!”. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4595 "2015-05-20T14:30:31Z")
> **[Parts of D.C.'s Concealed Carry Gun Permit Process Stopped by Federal Judge](https://reason.com/2015/05/19/dcs-concealed-carry-gun-permit-process-s/)** > > Preliminary Injunction Gained by Second Amendment Foundation Against D.C. Requirement to Have "Good Reason" To Exercise Second Amendment Right. It looks like DC is now a shall issue jurisdiction. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4596 "2015-05-20T14:44:26Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It’s true it depends on the type of silencer, on the modern non-swipe type the reduction is small, less than 5%. Still, it adds weight, increases barrel weight at the muzzle thus effecting balance. > > In any case, still sub-sonic rounds must be used, and no serious game is hunted with those. > > I guess if you’re hunting rats in your basement with a .22 short, then sure, why not? > > Varmints, sure: > [Suppressors becoming more popular with hunters](http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/blogs/upstate-outdoors/2014/08/29/suppressors-becoming-popular-hunters/14782701/) > _The surge in popularity of suppressors may stem more from the novelty of the device than the benefits to the hunter. The suppressor is designed to screw into the barrel of the gun and never comes in contact with the bullet as it leaves the barrel which causes minimal, if any affect to the velocity or range of the bullet. In addition to reducing hearing loss, Braziel surmised that hunters who were hunting in close proximity to residential areas may find more benefit with sound suppressors or varmint hunters who were trying to kill numerous animals in packs, like coyotes, could benefit. He also said that sales of suppressors in his store were about evenly split between rifles and handguns._ > > and note, using a suppressor does not actually make the gun safe to fire without hearing protection: > [Silencer (firearms) - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor#Advanced_types) > _While some consider the noise reduction of a suppressor significant enough to permit safe shooting without hearing protection (“hearing safe”), noise-induced hearing loss may occur at 85 time-weighted-average decibels or above if exposed for a prolonged period,[34] and suppressed gunshots regularly meter above 130 dB. However, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration uses 140 dB as the “safety cutoff” for impulsive noise, which has led most U.S. manufacturers to advertise sub-140 dB suppressors as “hearing safe”. Current OSHA standards would allow no more than sub-single-second exposure to impact noise over 130 dB per 24 hours. That would equate to a single .308 round fired through a very efficient suppressor. This result effectively requires all users of suppressors to wear additional ear protection._ > > I am not saying they are evil or useless, just that most guys who buy them do so as they think they are in some sort of paramilitary or end-time survival tale, or like the novelty. I’m starting to get the feeling that you are getting your information from a very very old pamphlet or an ill informed web sites run by people who have never fired a gun. You don’t need subsonic rounds to suppress sound with a suppressor. In the sentences immediately preceding the sentences you quote from wikipedia, it says: "The actual suppression of sound ranged from 14.3 to 43 dB, with most data points around the 30 dB mark. A notable example is the De Lisle carbine, a British World War II suppressed rifle used in small numbers by Special Forces. This was recorded at 85.5 dB in official firing tests.[31] Comparatively, ear protection commonly used while shooting provides 18 to 32 dB of sound reduction at the ear.[32] Further, chainsaws, rock concerts, rocket engines, pneumatic drills, small firecrackers, and ambulance sirens are rated at 100 to 140 dB.[33]" So… yeah, you either started reading the wiki cite in the middle of a section or you intentionally decided to leave out the part where it says that suppressors are about as effective as ear plugs. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4597 "2015-05-20T14:49:34Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I know it makes your nipples hard to cite death totals and shit, but I didn’t bring up any DUI comparisons. I brought up your dopey notion of what control is. You want unfettered access to guns, no matter what. I, cleverly (thanks), pointed out that there is nothing in there that approaches sensible gun-control laws. That is insensible, gun-free-fire laws. Hence my oh so hilarious skit involving mowing down nuns and children. > > The old trick, address the comment you wish they would have made. You mad bro? The second amendment is here to stay and all your impotent ranting is not going to change that. So if you have any good ideas that are consistent with the second amendment then lets hear them but all we hear from the hoplophobes is some variant of banning guns. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4598 "2015-05-20T14:52:46Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I’d accept any gun-control laws that would pass the same strict-scrutiny standard that applies to freedom of the press or of religion. Until such is held by the SCOTUS to be enshrined in the 2nd Amendment, then gun owners have to fight “sensible” gun-control because too many people consider sensible to mean a government monopoly on firearms. Free speech is not always subject to strict scrutiny. It is usually subject to intermediate scrutiny. The second amendment is probably going to be reviewed under intermediate scrutiny. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4599 "2015-05-20T14:54:36Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Hey, I’ve got an idea! Why don’t pro-gun people write sensible gun regulations and get them passed, thereby pre-empting us whacko libruls who don’t know what we’re talking about with respect to guns anyway? They did but the hoplophobes keep trying to add stupid rules about bayonet lugs and adjustable stocks. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4600 "2015-05-20T15:10:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > They did but the hoplophobes keep trying to add stupid rules about bayonet lugs and adjustable stocks. They did? Which ones? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=229) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=231)