# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 231
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4601 "2015-05-20T15:20:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I am not saying they are evil or useless, just that most guys who buy them do so as they think they are in some sort of paramilitary or end-time survival tale, or like the novelty. If they are not evil then what reason is there to regulate them as tightly as we do? I have identified at least a few constructive and positive uses for suppressors and no one has really come up with a good reason to outlaw them. I don’t think paramilitary guys or zombie apocalypse guys buy suppressors in order to be MORE paramilitary or a better zombie killer. I think they mostly get suppressors so they can say “Hey guys, look what I just got” But so what? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4602 "2015-05-20T15:34:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > They did? Which ones? [Here you go.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/nucla-colo-passes-ordinan_n_3306189.html) of course your definition of sensible may need a bit of tuning. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4603 "2015-05-20T15:36:00Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > But so what? There is a certain type of person who just cannot bear the idea that somebody, somewhere might be enjoying something of which he disapproves. Whether that something is actually harmful or evil doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4604 "2015-05-20T15:41:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > They did? Which ones? > **[Assault Weapons Ban of 2013](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013)** > > The Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 (AWB 2013) was a bill introduced in the 113th United States Congress as S. 150 by Senator Dianne Feinstein, D-CA, on January 24, 2013, one month after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. It was defeated in the Senate on April 17, 2013 by a vote of 40 to 60. > Efforts to create a new federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB 1994) were renewed on December 14, 2012, when 20 children and six adults were shot and killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecti... ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4605 "2015-05-20T16:33:21Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > [Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013) No. Which sensible gun laws did the pro-gun people write? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4606 "2015-05-20T20:08:26Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No. > Which sensible gun laws did the pro-gun people write? That is a pretty stupid question. Why would people who are for more expansive gun rights propose laws that would restrict gun rights? When was the last time the ACLU proposed sensible legislation to restrict political free speech (for example, a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United)? When was the last time environmentalists proposed sensible laws regulating drilling for oil in the ANWAR? A lot of gun rights advocates think the gun laws are already too restrictive and they do not believe that the gun control folks not interested in compromise, they are interested in taking half the cake now and coming back for the other half later. But to your point, Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey proposed gun show background checks and might have even gotten it if the well didn’t get poisoned by Feinstein AWB. I don’t think that their proposal was sensible but it was something. When was the last time gun control advocates proposed getting rid of laws that serve no purpose other than to be a pain in the ass of people who want to exercise their second amendment right? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4607 "2015-05-20T20:25:40Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > There is a certain type of person who just cannot bear the idea that somebody, somewhere might be enjoying something of which he disapproves. Whether that something is actually harmful or evil doesn’t matter. And sometimes its just irrational fear. Take for example the recent decision to make DC a “shall issue” jurisdiction. I suspect that the federal agencies will continue to prohibit their employees from carrying firearms in federal buildings despite the fact that federal employees all undergo fairly extensive background checks. Many of these federal buildings are protected by armed private security companies that hardly check their employees background other than to see if they have a criminal record. So you have people with top secret security clearance who will not be able to carry a gun at the workplace while the security guard merely has to have stayed out of jail to carry a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4608 "2015-05-20T20:28:17Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That is a pretty stupid question. WTF? **RTFirefly** asks “Why don’t pro-gun people write sensible gun regulations and get them passed?”, and you responded with “They did.” In what fucking universe is following up with “Which sensible gun laws did the pro-gun people write?” a pretty stupid question? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4609 "2015-05-20T20:32:41Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > But to your point, Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey proposed gun show background checks and might have even gotten it if the well didn’t get poisoned by Feinstein AWB. _I don’t think that their proposal was sensible but it was something_. (italics mine). So when asked to provide an example of sensible gun regulations that you claim pro-gun people have passed, you provide one that you say was not sensible. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4610 "2015-05-20T20:34:47Z")
And could not get passed. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4611 "2015-05-20T20:44:15Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > And could not get passed. I would have given points for an honest effort, but even **Damuri Ajashi** didn’t believe it was sensible, but threw it up there anyway. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4612 "2015-05-20T20:48:22Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > And could not get passed. Despite a strong majority. Got any ideas why that happened? Something \*other \*than **DA** ’s foundationless, hysterical, monomaniacal blame of somebody he happens to hate for his own side’s refusal to let a sensible measure become law? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4613 "2015-05-20T20:58:07Z")
Are you suggesting that sensible, popular gun control legislation could fail to pass for some reason _other_ than well poisoning by Democratic politicians? Because that’s absurd. Why, it would require an organized, nation-wide effort from a well-connected political group. A group with lots of money and the ability to influence elections. Such a national group, an association you might call it, is really hard to fathom. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4614 "2015-05-20T21:08:13Z")
Well, golly-I sure would like to see all that sensible, popular gun control legislation that would have passed if it weren’t for those pesky Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4615 "2015-05-20T22:04:21Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Violent criminals perform acts of violent crime. Your penetrating insight that allowed you to pick up on this should be the envy of sociologists worldwide. Bravo, sir, bravo. Ah, but fewer than 9 would have been dead without the guns. The biker-thugs were mostly white, so they are permitted their guns. No one is even complaining or surprised that 170 guys, mostly with criminal records, had over 100 guns in one tiny location in Waco. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4616 "2015-05-20T22:37:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No. > Which sensible gun laws did the pro-gun people write? Post 4564: > [@Bone](#): > > Good idea! They have in 40 out of 50 states that are shall issue, and in 6 of those the states have enacted constitutional carry. Seems sensible to me. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4617 "2015-05-21T00:47:36Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > Ah, but fewer than 9 would have been dead without the guns. The biker-thugs were mostly white, so they are permitted their guns. No one is even complaining or surprised that 170 guys, mostly with criminal records, had over 100 guns in one tiny location in Waco. If only we could rid society of guns, just like we got rid of heroin, cocaine and meth. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4618 "2015-05-21T01:29:32Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Well, golly-I sure would like to see all that sensible, popular gun control legislation that would have passed if it weren’t for those pesky Democrats. A case where the NRA and the “pesky Democrats” agreed was on improving reporting to NICS in 2007 after the Virginia Tech mass shootings. It was supported by both the NRA and pesky Democrats. Of course there was a pro-gun Democrat involved in the crafting, John Dingell, former Rep from MI. Non-pesky Democrat!!! ---
**Author:** ![DrumBum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@DrumBum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrumBum)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4619 "2015-05-21T12:14:37Z")
Not stupid, and probably not even news to most, but a fellow has created [map of weapons regulated by the Feds.](http://metrocosm.com/map-of-federally-regulated-weapons/) I was surprised to see that in four states nun-chucks are illegal and that grenade launchers are legal. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4620 "2015-05-21T14:01:44Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > If only we could rid society of guns, just like we got rid of heroin, cocaine and meth. Some fine company you’re in there. At least drug users only kill _themselves_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=230) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=232)