# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 240
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4781 "2015-06-16T15:34:44Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Oh wait, that’s right, if we only dismantle the “gun culture”, then no one will _want_ to own guns, which will make banning them much easier. Maybe you could petition the American Psychiatric Association to declare gun ownership a mental illness. That way the [del]dissidents[/del] afflicted could get the “help” they need. That’s cute, putting gun culture in quote marks, the same week the Governor of Texas signed a bill, _while sitting in a gun shop and surrounded by gun enthusiasts_, allowing open carry on campuses. I guess signing the bill at his desk wouldn’t have sent a clear enough message. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4782 "2015-06-16T15:35:01Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yet. Every week there is one more of you who can no longer say that, though. On what basis should we be confident you’ll never be one? How can we tell the difference between a “law-abiding citizen” like you purport yourself to be and a mere asshole, if in fact there is one? ten million to one odds sound reasonably safe to me. > [@](#): > > Oh yes, you’ve also been promoting the concept that there is some number of killings that is “acceptable”, haven’t you? You sick fuck. [As the Master himself said](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/214/is-exposure-to-cosmic-rays-during-cross-country-flight-dangerous) “essentially the same sort of calculation goes into estimates of death from coal dust”. > [@](#): > > That is exactly the social policy you promote here anyway, despite their assholishness, and apparently \*because \*of your own. Only someone convinced that the utility of gun ownership is zero could take your absolutist stand. We beg to differ. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4783 "2015-06-16T15:40:15Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > ten million to one odds sound reasonably safe to me. Is that what they are? :dubious: > [@](#): > > [As the Master himself said](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/214/is-exposure-to-cosmic-rays-during-cross-country-flight-dangerous) “essentially the same sort of calculation goes into estimates of death from coal dust”. We need coal, at least for now, and we do everything we can to minimize exposure and danger to it. We do not need handguns, and any effort to minimize exposure and danger to them is fought by the likes of you. But you know that, don’t you? > [@](#): > > Only someone convinced that the utility of gun ownership is zero could take your absolutist stand. We beg to differ. Only someone very unsure of their own position tries to hide that by pretending it’s his opponents who are the absolutists. If you beg to differ, show us the utility you claim (assume?) to be present, how it outweighs the risks and costs and damage (not something you can do by inventing numbers, like “ten million to one”, btw), and show what you support that would minimize them. IOW, show us your responsibility, not your obstinacy. Can you? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4784 "2015-06-17T00:26:00Z")
I’m not pretending. I’m absolutely dead serious that I think you are an absolute disaster as a human being. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4785 "2015-06-17T00:44:53Z")
And you would know exactly what an absolute disaster as a human being looks like. Damn those mirror things. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4786 "2015-06-17T15:01:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Not very useful if it’s also indiscriminately applied to the \*\*rational \*\*fear that some people have of guns. Well, some people may indiscriminately use it to apply to anyone that wants greater gun control, I do not. You can indiscriminately use the term homophobe and anti-Semite as well. I see the term anti-Semite being applied to people who criticize Israel and I see the term homophobe being used to describe people who oppose making homosexuals a protected class. That doesn’t make those terms useless. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4787 "2015-06-17T15:07:03Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > No, _he_ is crazy. Dangerously so, apparently, given his AFAIK sincere belief that everybody is just one bad day from being a murderer. People tend to believe that they are just like anybody else, and ElvisL1ves is no exception. He is a pustulent mass of impotent rage and unclean desires, so he assumes everybody else is, too. He is also a collosally stupid asshole with delusions of adequacy, but that is a separate issue. To be fair, I think what happens is folks Like Elvis do not actually have a lot of interaction with gun owners and develops his impression of gun owners from liberal sources and naturally thinks that gun owners are unhinged and just aching to kill someone. Its the result of an echo chamber without a reality check. Its like Japanese tourists who watch movies like Death Wish and come here thinking that black men are inclined to be rapists and murderers. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4788 "2015-06-17T15:08:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Please link to sites where “hoplophobia” is used by someone other than a gun enthusiast. Why would use by anyone other than a gun enthusiast make the word any less valid? I can’t think of many instances where someone who is NOT in favor of gay rights accuses someone else of being a homophobe. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4789 "2015-06-17T15:43:47Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why would use by anyone other than a gun enthusiast make the word any less valid? > > I can’t think of many instances where someone who is NOT in favor of gay rights accuses someone else of being a homophobe. When did I use the word “accuse”? For example, [here is a site that uses the word “homophobia” in a clinical setting.](https://web.archive.org/web/20040202035152/www.apa.org/releases/homophob.html) No accusations or insults involved, and I can provide more examples easily if asked, because it’s a condition that was been studied by varied professional/scientific groups. Now, without your bizarre misinterpretation, can you answer my original question: Can you link to sites where “hoplophobia” is used by someone other than a gun enthusiast? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4790 "2015-06-17T15:49:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why would use by anyone other than a gun enthusiast make the word any less valid? Because if it is only used by gun enthusiasts, then it is an insider term that is of use(and interest) only _to_ gun enthusiasts. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4791 "2015-06-17T15:49:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That’s cute, putting gun culture in quote marks, the same week the Governor of Texas signed a bill, _while sitting in a gun shop and surrounded by gun enthusiasts_, allowing open carry on campuses. I guess signing the bill at his desk wouldn’t have sent a clear enough message. Just another example of why no one will take you seriously. We can never tell if you are just too lazy to correct your woeful ignorance or if you’re being deliberately dishonest in spreading FUD to promote your agenda. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4792 "2015-06-17T15:58:47Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Just another example of why no one will take you seriously. We can never tell if you are just too lazy to correct your woeful ignorance or if you’re being deliberately dishonest in spreading FUD to promote your agenda. I apologize for getting it all wrong. It wasn’t a gun shop-It was a gun _range_ in Pflugerville. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4793 "2015-06-17T16:01:13Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > And you would know exactly what an absolute disaster as a human being looks like. > > Damn those mirror things. That seemed like a clever insult to you? This is your idea of a cutting remark? Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4794 "2015-06-17T16:16:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I apologize for getting it all wrong. > It wasn’t a gun shop-It was a gun _range_ in Pflugerville. The campus carry bill is for concealed carry. But don’t let significant details distract you. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4795 "2015-06-17T19:00:54Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > gun owners are unhinged and just aching to kill someone. And many are. They’re in the news every day. On occasion, in your rare lucid moments, you have even admitted they even sometimes exist, although you quickly proceed to calling them “acceptable”. > [@](#): > > Its the result of an echo chamber without a reality check. What do you use for \*your \*reality checks? > [@](#): > > Its like Japanese tourists who watch movies like Death Wish and come here thinking that black men are inclined to be rapists and murderers. The counterexamples to your fantasy number in the tens of thousands every year. To deny it is to admit mental illness, however. You fancy yourself as being one of the “good guys”, one of the “law-abiding citizens”, but in fact you’re part of the problem, aren’t you? There is no way to convince anyone else you’re not ever going to be a threat, because you don’t even know it yourself - in fact, deep inside that still-remaining sane core that may exist, you know you’re not. Yes, you may be less of a threat than that posed by an emotionally-disturbed child like **Scumpup** , but that’s only a matter of degree, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4796 "2015-06-17T19:15:54Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > And you would know exactly what an absolute disaster as a human being looks like. > > Damn those mirror things. > [@Scumpup](#): > > That seemed like a clever insult to you? This is your idea of a cutting remark? Wow. Yeah, \*\*esch \*\*(can I call you **esch**?) can’t you come up with something a little more clever and erudite? Like accusing him of wanting to rape toddlers or something? ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4797 "2015-06-17T21:04:11Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You fancy yourself as being one of the “good guys”, one of the “law-abiding citizens”, but in fact you’re part of the problem, aren’t you? There is no way to convince anyone else you’re not ever going to be a threat, because you don’t even know it yourself - in fact, deep inside that still-remaining sane core that may exist, you know you’re not. Yes, you may be less of a threat than that posed by an emotionally-disturbed child like **Scumpup** , but that’s only a matter of degree, isn’t it? I know this was directed at **Damuri Ajashi** , but I have to question your meaning here. Are you saying that, as a gun owner, I am more likely to go on a killing spree than someone who doesn’t own a gun? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4798 "2015-06-17T21:24:08Z")
Of course. People with the means to kill, at the moment they want to, are more likely to kill than those who lack the means. How is that unclear? Are you of the view that having a gun makes you \*immune \*to anger? ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4799 "2015-06-17T21:34:07Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > I know this was directed at **Damuri Ajashi** , but I have to question your meaning here. Are you saying that, as a gun owner, I am more likely to go on a killing spree than someone who doesn’t own a gun? And I know you’re not addressing _ME_ with this, but…Not necessarily. But if you _were_ to go on a killing spree armed with your weapon of choice then you would almost certainly be able to kill a LOT more people in a given period of time than you would be if you were armed with a baseball bat or a knife or a shard of glass. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4800 "2015-06-17T21:44:50Z")
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