# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 242
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4821 "2015-06-18T17:19:19Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The assertion that “_assholes are more likely to want guns_” is not the same as saying "_those who want guns are more likely to be assholes_. The second follows automatically from the first. Draw a diagram if you’re puzzled. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4822 "2015-06-18T17:22:14Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > I live in Wisconsin, you’ve never _seen_ angrier progressives than we have with Scott Walker as their governor. (P.S. I consider myself a progressive on ~80% of the issues) They’re not arming themselves and claiming to be militias, are they? Or making menacing comments about taking Walker out, or using Second Amendment Remedies, are they? > [@August\_West](#): > > Obviously I’m not anti-gun, but I am finding myself increasingly anti to the gun culture in this country. Thanks. It’s that gun culture, and the mass psychosis that feeds it, that’s the source of the problem, and the preventer of solutions. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4823 "2015-06-18T17:26:40Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > So, ElvisL1ves, how many times have people lived only because you didn’t have a gun? Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4824 "2015-06-18T20:09:14Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Seconded. He won’t answer. He never does because he would then have to acknowledge either that he is wrong or that he is deliberately lying/trolling. Until he mans up and answers a simple question, I stand by my assessment of him as being one parking ticket from burning down a daycare center and pleasuring himself over the tiny corpses. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4825 "2015-06-18T20:34:30Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > …I stand by my assessment of him as being one parking ticket from burning down a daycare center and pleasuring himself over the tiny corpses. You think about that a lot, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4826 "2015-06-18T20:49:32Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You think about that a lot, do you? Nope. Just taking him at his word that everybody is “one bad day” from atrocity. He gives me the impression of being even more awful than he routinely accuses gun owners of being. Speaking of which…you haven’t been around even once to question his statements when he has slandered gun owners over and over. You’ll forgive me, I’m sure, for not considering your input now of any great value. Unless, of course, you want to throw in with Jack Batty and rim ElvisL1ves because, intellectually dishonest or not, he is on your side. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2015, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4827 "2015-06-18T23:30:11Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > You seem to be claiming that owning a gun increases the likelihood that I **will** kill someone. I thought that statistically that was correct? > **[Study: Guns in home increase suicide, homicide risk](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-guns-in-home-increase-suicide-homicide-risk/)** > > A study of individual instances of suicide and gun ownership shows a certain connection between the two “Bringing a gun into the home substantially increases the risk for suicide for all family members and the risk for women being murdered in the home” > **[Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home - PubMed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/)** > > Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense. “CONCLUSIONS: Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.” I can’t find any papers suggesting that gun owners pose either the same or lower risk of murder. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4828 "2015-06-19T00:14:37Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > “Bringing a gun into the home substantially increases the risk for suicide for all family members and the risk for women being murdered in the home” As Bill Burr points out, this is of course true, the same way that putting a pool in your backyard substantially increases you risk of drowning. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4829 "2015-06-19T01:04:47Z")
Ownership, and more to the point possession, of a gun makes it likelier that there will be fatal consequences to a split-second spate of anger. As Pat Paulsen once said: “Say you come home and find a guy in bed with your wife. What are you going to do, poison him?” ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4830 "2015-06-19T01:06:47Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > “Say you come home and find a guy in bed with your wife. What are you going to do, poison him?” Maybe take him swimming? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4831 "2015-06-19T01:30:57Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Ownership, and more to the point possession, of a gun makes it likelier that there will be fatal consequences to a split-second spate of anger. As Pat Paulsen once said: “Say you come home and find a guy in bed with your wife. What are you going to do, poison him?” That’s why I’ve got a water bed. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4832 "2015-06-19T13:17:45Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Ownership, and more to the point possession, of a gun makes it likelier that there will be fatal consequences to a split-second spate of anger. As Pat Paulsen once said: “Say you come home and find a guy in bed with your wife. What are you going to do, poison him?” And, as Homer Simpson observed, “_Five days_? But I’m angry NOW!” Remarkably, there are gun owners who fancy themselves immune to anger attacks. “The guys in the news every day are just different, they’re stupid or something, it wouldn’t happen with _me_, no sirree.” ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4833 "2015-06-19T14:07:20Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And, as Homer Simpson observed, “_Five days_? But I’m angry NOW!” > > Remarkably, there are gun owners who fancy themselves immune to anger attacks. “The guys in the news every day are just different, they’re stupid or something, it wouldn’t happen with _me_, no sirree.” What about you? How often do you have these “anger attacks?” Could you describe, perhaps, just the most recent occasion where you were so angry that, if you’d had a gun, you’d have killed somebody? ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4834 "2015-06-19T14:17:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > And, as Homer Simpson observed, “_Five days_? But I’m angry NOW!” > > Remarkably, there are gun owners who fancy themselves immune to anger attacks. “The guys in the news every day are just different, they’re stupid or something, it wouldn’t happen with _me_, no sirree.” Again, I don’t fancy myself as immune to anger, but I believe I have enough self-awareness to know whether I’m capable of murder. I am not a violent person, and I don’t resort to violence to solve problems. Owning a gun does nothing to change that aspect of my nature. I don’t think those who murder are “stupid or something” but I do think they are far more likely to be people who use violence as a first response to anger. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4835 "2015-06-19T14:39:11Z")
_Of course_ most gun owners never murder - but there’s a problem with people who use violence as a first response to anger being more likely to get, and have, the most effective means to act on that impulse than those who don’t - our tantrum-prone little friend \*\*Scumpup \*\*for instance. That means suspecting gun owners of having a propensity to use them is entirely rational and reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4836 "2015-06-19T14:46:14Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > What about you? How often do you have these “anger attacks?” Could you describe, perhaps, just the most recent occasion where you were so angry that, if you’d had a gun, you’d have killed somebody? Because honestly, the personal anecdotes of one person are a completely valid way of showing a trend for all people. Do you accept the above links that households with guns are more prone to gun violence? If not, why not? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4837 "2015-06-19T14:47:29Z")
See, you keep trying to do that “lofty disdain” thing and it isn’t working for you. It only accents that you refuse to answer a simple question. Are you really that afraid of “losing” on an internet board? I promise you, nobody here will respect you less if you just admit that your whole “fits of anger”-“one bad day” schtick is nothing but bullshit. So, how many people have you wanted to kill this month? Is not owning a gun a decision you made because you realize that you would kill somebody if you had one? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4838 "2015-06-19T14:52:26Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > Because honestly, the personal anecdotes of one person are a completely valid way of showing a trend for all people. > > Do you accept the above links that households with guns are more prone to gun violence? If not, why not? Only in the sense, as noted upthread, that houses with pools are more likely to have drownings. ElvisL1ves, though, has never addressed the issue in those terms. ElvisL1ves has happily slandered gun owners for years now as crazy and violent people who, if they haven’t already killed somebody, are about to do so. He strikes me as the kind of person who attributes the worst possible motives to everybody else because, since they are his motives, they are all he really understands. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4839 "2015-06-19T15:01:16Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > So, how many people have you wanted to kill this month? Is not owning a gun a decision you made because you realize that you would kill somebody if you had one? The fallacy there is, just because it has never happened in the past, you cannot conclude it won’t happen in the future. It only takes one time; how many times have we heard, “I am shocked, he was such a nice guy.” ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4840 "2015-06-19T15:07:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > About this Defensive Gun Use thing that DA insists is real and trumps all other considerations? [Not so much.](http://thehill.com/regulation/245280-gun-owners-not-likely-to-use-firearms-for-self-defense-study-claims)But the NRA would rather have you “believe” their own polls rather than data, of course:And the killings continue … Even at a glance the narrative of your article misses the mark. A defensive gun use doesn’t always have to end in a justifiable homicide. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=241) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=243)