# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 244
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4861 "2015-06-22T13:33:36Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Looking in from the outside - > > It seems to most non 'Mercans that handguns are rather easy to get hold of - whether it be legal or illegal. > > A good place to make a dent in the ease with which a handgun can be obtained may well be a proper licensing regime - along with better rules on storage. > > Around here, if you knowingly allow an unlicensed driver to use your car, it is a chargeable offense - as is knowingly allowing someone to drive your car without insurance. > > Is it really so difficult to apply some form of similar rules to stolen handguns if they have not been properly secured? Is it really very hard to have a requirement that stolen handguns be reported immediately (i.e within 24 hours) under pain of criminal prosecution? > > Let’s face it - guns are dangerous things to have around - most other dangerous things impose ownership duties - why not guns? As I understand it, Roof got the gun as a gift from his father- illegally, since Roof was awaiting trial on felony drug charges. So yes they’re probably going to throw the book at Dad. But registration, storage and theft report laws would all have been irrelevant. ETA: **Gray Ghost** , as a gun carrier I agree with you. I was playing devil’s advocate by pointing out that little in the way of “keeping guns out of the hands” would have made much of a difference, short of banning the possession of handguns. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4862 "2015-06-22T16:34:37Z")
> [@oz0ne](#): > > Hey guys, I just wanted to tell you I still love reading this thread. I enjoy getting the viewpoints from many different perspectives. There is a great amount of pertinent information in this thread and so much of it strikes to the heart of gun ownership in the United States. But I have to tell you, and it is by far my favorite part, that nothing you say or do is going to change the fact that I can massage this sexy weapon sitting on the table next to me (makes me hard, too). I can, and will continue to be able to, put it in my backpack or my console. I’ll always be able to carry it on my person, concealed or unconcealed. I’ll be able to stick it under my seat or shove it in my glove box. Hell, I can even tote in state parks now. You anti-gun fuckers are fighting a losing battle; this I promise. > > Now I know many of you will say my possession of a gun is unnecessary and, by the mere fact of possessing it, invites trouble. But I need to tell you something: the life of my wife and daughter is worth that risk. I have been trained, extensively, in the care, handling, and operation of firearms. Matter of fact, I am a state trained and certified instructor (whopee shit, I know). I am intimately aware of the destruction firearms can inflict. I have killed someone with a firearm. If I had not had that firearm, I would most certainly be dead. > > I just don’t get the hatred for responsible gun ownership; maybe that’s the key part. I think maybe you’re too pussified to realize there is such a thing a responsible gun ownership. Maybe you’re too fucking sheltered to recognize the fact that it’s up to the individual to protect what’s ours. So what if some fucker wants to walk around Walmart or the swap meet with his AR-15? So what if I want to be able to defend myself pumping gas in downtown Atalanta [:)]? I guess if you lived in Portland or some shit hole like that, you wouldn’t need it. But here, in the real world, the police can’t - or won’t - always be there. I know, I was one. Sometimes you to have to rely on yourself. Sometimes a fucking Starbucks coffee or a I gave to the “Church of Religiousness Conscience” doesn’t fucking suffice. Ugh! I’d love to “drink a beer” with you nut jobs. Pussification? Now that’s funny. The pussy is the frail bitch who grabs his gun every time he gets scared. Do you wet your little girl panties too? How many people in these threads are advocating banning guns, anyway? Everyone knows that we’re stuck with the ill-considered second amendment, probably forever. The challenge has always been keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and crazies. But every time anyone even points out that there is a problem, the gun lovers flip their shit with the usual garbage about the guvmint and seizures and blah blah fucking blah. Then they start babbling lies about how Democraps want just the criminals to have guns. I have no idea how to put an end to all the shootings, but if there is a solution, I know who won’t be a part of it. BTW, if stroking it gets you off, you should try shoving it up your ass and pulling the trigger. You’ll come _so hard._ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4863 "2015-06-22T16:50:56Z")
> [@oz0ne](#): > > Hey guys, I just wanted to tell you I still love reading this thread. I enjoy getting the viewpoints from many different perspectives. There is a great amount of pertinent information in this thread and so much of it strikes to the heart of gun ownership in the United States. But I have to tell you, and it is by far my favorite part, that nothing you say or do is going to change the fact that I can massage this sexy weapon sitting on the table next to me (makes me hard, too). I can, and will continue to be able to, put it in my backpack or my console. I’ll always be able to carry it on my person, concealed or unconcealed. I’ll be able to stick it under my seat or shove it in my glove box. Hell, I can even tote in state parks now. You anti-gun fuckers are fighting a losing battle; this I promise. > > Now I know many of you will say my possession of a gun is unnecessary and, by the mere fact of possessing it, invites trouble. But I need to tell you something: the life of my wife and daughter is worth that risk. I have been trained, extensively, in the care, handling, and operation of firearms. Matter of fact, I am a state trained and certified instructor (whopee shit, I know). I am intimately aware of the destruction firearms can inflict. I have killed someone with a firearm. If I had not had that firearm, I would most certainly be dead. > > I just don’t get the hatred for responsible gun ownership; maybe that’s the key part. I think maybe you’re too pussified to realize there is such a thing a responsible gun ownership. Maybe you’re too fucking sheltered to recognize the fact that it’s up to the individual to protect what’s ours. So what if some fucker wants to walk around Walmart or the swap meet with his AR-15? So what if I want to be able to defend myself pumping gas in downtown Atalanta [:)]? I guess if you lived in Portland or some shit hole like that, you wouldn’t need it. But here, in the real world, the police can’t - or won’t - always be there. I know, I was one. Sometimes you to have to rely on yourself. Sometimes a fucking Starbucks coffee or a I gave to the “Church of Religiousness Conscience” doesn’t fucking suffice. Ugh! I’d love to “drink a beer” with you nut jobs. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a sane, calm and reasonable responsible gun owner. Finally, someone with whom we can open a dialogue without all those nasty stereotypes getting in the way. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4864 "2015-06-22T17:15:45Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > As I understand it, Roof got the gun as a gift from his father- illegally, since Roof was awaiting trial on felony drug charges. So yes they’re probably going to throw the book at Dad. But registration, storage and theft report laws would all have been irrelevant. Cite? I’ve admittedly been out of the loop on this one, but Wikipedia cites a [CNN article](http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/charleston-church-shooting-suspect/index.html)that says Roof bought the gun himself at a gun store using birthday money. This has supplanted the narrative that Roof’s dad bought him the gun. I’m also not seeing anything about felony drug charges; again according to wiki, he had 2 prior arrests, one for drug possession (in March) and one shortly thereafter for trespassing, but I doubt his first arrest resulted in a felony charge since it was his first offense and a small amount. In short, it seems like he was legally allowed to purchase a gun and then did so. I may have missed something, though. But ultimately this just means you’re even more right; nothing short of a total ban would have prevented this. Even mandatory licensing and registration, which I support, wouldn’t have helped. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4865 "2015-06-22T17:17:57Z")
> [@oz0ne](#): > > I’d love to “drink a beer” with you nut jobs. Is this a threat? Are you going to bring _Miller Light_ or something? ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4866 "2015-06-22T17:23:45Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > I think **Senor Beef** a few days ago, here, or on another subboard at the 'Dope, was really onto something about what makes these cowards, these flyspecks of barely human consciousness tick: they crave attention and they crave knowing that they matter. Because otherwise, we wouldn’t know this guy at all, and we certainly wouldn’t think him worthy of our time. Dispose of him like the filth he is, instead of reveling in headlines like, “Roof’s Manifesto Revealed,” and I think we’d have fewer of these pathetic worms, hungering for some recognition or relevance to our lives. I agree with this sentiment. I believe ending the media sensationization of these mass shooting would go further to ending them then more ineffective legislation. These crazies know they will have their forum in the media coverage. ---
**Author:** ![DrumBum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@DrumBum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrumBum)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4867 "2015-06-22T17:35:56Z")
Gov. Rick Perry said that the Charleston shooting was [an accident](http://www.businessinsider.com/rick-perry-misspoke-about-charleston-shooting-2015-6). > [@](#): > > This is the MO of this administration. Anytime there is an accident like this — the president’s clear, he doesn’t like for Americans to have guns and so he uses every opportunity, this being another one, to basically go parrot that message," Perry said. Not surprisingly, after leaving the interview he said he misspoke. Funny how that happens… ---
**Author:** ![oz0ne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9fc348/32.png) [@oz0ne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oz0ne)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4868 "2015-06-22T18:27:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a sane, calm and reasonable responsible gun owner. Finally, someone with whom we can open a dialogue without all those nasty stereotypes getting in the way. :rolleyes: I’m always sane, calm, and reasonable regarding firearms. My internetting doesn’t represent how I handle firearms. I just like getting a rise out of you guys. It’s fun, the TV has been out. Storms I suppose. Seriously, I’m always open to rational dialogue. Thanks for noticing though. Kisses! ---
**Author:** ![oz0ne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9fc348/32.png) [@oz0ne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oz0ne)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4869 "2015-06-22T18:28:20Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Is this a threat? Are you going to bring _Miller Light_ or something? Bud Light. Come on man, nobody drinks Miller Light. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4870 "2015-06-22T18:49:24Z")
I wasn’t completely sure if you were a mere troll after this: > [@oz0ne](#): > > I just like getting a rise out of you guys. It’s fun… But Bud Light? That seals the deal. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4871 "2015-06-22T19:31:52Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > So what realistically could have been done to prevent Dylan Roof from committing this crime? He used an ordinary semi-automatic pistol ( a .45, not even with high-capacity magazines) that he obtained illegally. To even try would take a total or near-total handgun ban like in Britain or Australia, and I suspect it would be a second Prohibition in terms of effectiveness. It is not “a second Prohibition in terms of effectiveness” in Britain or Australia – why would it be so here? Are our LEOs so inferior to theirs? To say it has anything to do with “American gun culture” is to say Prohibition can be effective but only in countries where people don’t drink. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4872 "2015-06-23T00:00:59Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > It is not “a second Prohibition in terms of effectiveness” in Britain or Australia – why would it be so here? Realistically I can’t see how a handgun ban could take place without a revolutionary change in American society. There’s the Second Amendment which would require another amendment to overturn; there’s _Heller_ which specifically mentioned handguns as the peoples’ preferred instrument of self-defense; there are the millions of Americans who **want** guns and are politically mobilized to keep them. But for the sake of argument let’s say it happens: The hardcore paranoid gun proponents have been planning for decades what they would do if the evil ZOG :rolleyes: banned guns. Assuming a handgun ban was on the horizon, millions of handguns would disappear in what gun owners call “a tragic boating accident”. Meanwhile there are I-don’t-know-how-many thousands of gunsmiths and hobbyists who already own the machine tools necessary to make a complete gun and how-to plans available on the web for making guns with varying degrees of sophistication; and it will only get easier as 3D printing advances. It is to be presumed that an entire illegal industry of gun production would develop- it’s already the case in many countries. To say nothing of guns joining narcotics as a profitable item to smuggle in from sources abroad. Assuming that a ban could come to pass at all, there would probably still be anywhere from 10%- 30% of the population that didn’t want it and wouldn’t cooperate with it. It wouldn’t be a handful of scattered criminals breaking the law, it would be an entire underground, which is another matter entirely. > [@](#): > > is to say Prohibition can be effective but only in countries where people don’t drink. I thought that was pretty much the case. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4873 "2015-06-23T02:53:29Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Including or excluding the book? Well, if that post is to be followed then he is already being hanged. Rolling his book into a tube, sticking it up his rear and lighting it on fire just before he dances might be seen as cruel or unusual. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4874 "2015-06-24T01:00:59Z")
What the fuck? Do we have a three day waiting period before we can post about this [gun fuckery?](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/miss-police-open-carry-laws-kept-us-from-arresting-shotgun-toting-man-who-terrorized-walmart-shoppers/comments/#disqus) Yeah, yeah, flaming liberal website, but watch the video of the police chief. Gotta confer with the city attorneys before we arrest them good ole boys. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4875 "2015-06-24T01:10:14Z")
And to be fair, I’ll note that even [pro-gun folks](http://bearingarms.com/open-carrier-terrorizes-three-stores-mississippi-lucky-avoided/?utm_source=bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate) think these guys are dumb-asses. It’s not good guy with a gun vs bad guy with a gun. It’s dipshits with guns. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2015, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4876 "2015-06-24T09:44:26Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > And to be fair, I’ll note that even [pro-gun folks](http://bearingarms.com/open-carrier-terrorizes-three-stores-mississippi-lucky-avoided/?utm_source=bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate) think these guys are dumb-asses. > > It’s not good guy with a gun vs bad guy with a gun. It’s dipshits with guns. YES. And of course the dipshits all think they’re “good guys with guns”. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4877 "2015-06-26T14:46:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Because if it is only used by gun enthusiasts, then it is an insider term that is of use(and interest) only _to_ gun enthusiasts. Duh. So how does that make the word any less valid. This is stupid. You are objecting to a word that accurately describes attitudes towards guns just as well as homophobia describes attitudes towards homosexuality. The fact that it isn’t used as frequently as homophobia is a stupid way of trying to distinguish between “real words” and words that have no meaning beyond insulting people who have an unreasonable fear of guns. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4878 "2015-06-26T14:53:49Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > And I know you’re not addressing _ME_ with this, but…Not necessarily. But if you _were_ to go on a killing spree armed with your weapon of choice then you would almost certainly be able to kill a LOT more people in a given period of time than you would be if you were armed with a baseball bat or a knife or a shard of glass. Or a pick up truck? Or a couple of backpacks full of pressure cooker bombs? None of these things require a background check, guns do. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4879 "2015-06-26T14:58:28Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > I know this was directed at **Damuri Ajashi** , but I have to question your meaning here. Are you saying that, as a gun owner, I am more likely to go on a killing spree than someone who doesn’t own a gun? Yes, he believes that people who own guns are all a little bit crazy to begin with and anyone who defends the right to keep and bear arms must be some sort of psycho killer just waiting for the right trigger words to go on a rampage. He knows this because he can read our minds and knows what we believe “deep down inside”:rolleyes: I have found this to be a common attitude among hoplophobes. They don’t think any of the gun owners that they personally know are like this but the ones they don’t know are like this. Its kinda of like Japanese tourists with black people. They aren’t afraid of the ones they get to know but the rest of them are rapists and murderers. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4880 "2015-06-26T14:58:58Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > So how does that make the word any less valid. This is stupid. You are objecting to a word that accurately describes attitudes towards guns just as well as homophobia describes attitudes towards homosexuality. The fact that it isn’t used as frequently as homophobia is a stupid way of trying to distinguish between “real words” and words that have no meaning beyond insulting people who have an unreasonable fear of guns. Face it-Nobody outside of your small circle has heard of your made-up word, no one outside of your small circle is ever going to use your made-up word, and those few of us that don’t use it but are subjected to it recognize it for what it actually is-a clumsy insult. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=243) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=245)