# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 248
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4941 "2015-06-29T20:39:47Z")
That’s a nice broad brush you’ve got there. I always assumed that the name/address/date of purchase _was_ stored, so ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4942 "2015-06-29T20:45:35Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > That’s a nice broad brush you’ve got there. > > I always assumed that the name/address/date of purchase _was_ stored, so ignorance fought. Fair enough. The gun store is required to keep a record, but that requires a subpoena to search. NICS records are expunged within 24 hours. In the case of ammonium nitrate, the government could say, “Get me a list of everyone who’s bought the stuff in a 250 mile radius in the last 90 days.” There’s currently no equivalent for guns. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4943 "2015-06-29T21:14:22Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Yes, but you know damn well that 99.9% of gun rights activists would lose their shit if they had to register their name and address to buy a gun, information which would remain in a database for some number of years (not sure what the retention time is in this case.) You are the exception. I don’t know exactly what you mean by gun rights activists but I am pretty sure that most gun OWNERS would be OK with licensing and registration if they really thought that it would end there. I just happen to be comfortable that we will never get 60 senators to vote to do much more than licensing and registration (heck I don’t know that we could get 60 senators to vote for licensing and registration). Considering that there are gun rights activists in states that have licensing and registration, I am pretty sure that “losing their shit” is not what happens to 99.9% of them. The current record-keeping requirements require the FFL to keep their records forever. If they go out of business, they are supposed to hand over their records to the BATFE. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4944 "2015-06-29T21:17:43Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Aren’t you late for your appointment with the school psychologist about your anger management issues, kid? Let me sum things up for you, so that we can maybe move things forward a bit despite your egregious dishonesty and dull-normal intellect. 1. You have stated repeatedly that nobody can be trusted because everybody is one bad day from homicide. 2. You refuse to acknowledge that _you_ are part of the “everybody” from point #1. Why is this? Because if you claim that _you_ aren’t one bad day from homicide, then your earlier claim about _everybody_ is, clearly, false. Sadly, this “loss” on the internet is so overwhelming to you, that can’t bring yourself to admit that you were talking out of your ass from the very beginning. You prefer to continue spreading your bullshit and hoping that nobody notices the continent-sized holes in your thinking. Even the tool bags like Jack Batty that step up for you don’t actually defend your point (such as it is), they defend you simply for being on their side of the argument. IOW, even your own side doesn’t believe your bullshit. You are a pitiful sadsack excuse for a human being. Your lack of honesty and intellectual integrity shames this whole board. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4945 "2015-06-29T21:21:49Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > You are not required to _register_ your name and address. It gets sent to the NICS and immediately discarded upon providing a go/no-go to the gun store. > > You can’t have it both ways. For the sake of this comparison, they want storing someone’s name/address/date of purchase to be “no big deal,” or “pretty much what gun owners already have to do.” But if anyone were to actually suggest that maybe we _start actually doing that_, gun owners get all apoplectic because it’s actually, to them, a _huge fucking deal_. When they do a NICS check, the BATFE does not keep records of who they performed checks on (although it flags when a felon of fugitive tries to buy a gun), but your gun store is in fact required to do so. That is part of the reason why licensing and registration doesn’t bother me. Frankly, I would rather have a card that would circumvent the time consuming and sometimes onerous process of filling out the 4473 and NICS check and just allow the BATFE to have my information as long as it was not shared with anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4946 "2015-06-29T21:29:21Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Let me sum things up for you, so that we can maybe move things forward a bit despite your egregious dishonesty and dull-normal intellect. > > 1. You have stated repeatedly that nobody can be trusted because everybody is one bad day from homicide. > 2. You refuse to acknowledge that _you_ are part of the “everybody” from point #1. > > Why is this? Because if you claim that _you_ aren’t one bad day from homicide, then your earlier claim about _everybody_ is, clearly, false. Sadly, this “loss” on the internet is so overwhelming to you, that can’t bring yourself to admit that you were talking out of your ass from the very beginning. You prefer to continue spreading your bullshit and hoping that nobody notices the continent-sized holes in your thinking. Even the tool bags like Jack Batty that step up for you don’t actually defend your point (such as it is), they defend you simply for being on their side of the argument. IOW, even your own side doesn’t believe your bullshit. > You are a pitiful sadsack excuse for a human being. Your lack of honesty and intellectual integrity shames this whole board. Its not that necessarily because he is a sad sack of shit, its might be because he “KNOWS” he is right. He has absolute moral certainty that he is on the side of the angels and almost anything can be justified if you are on the side of the angels, a bit of exaggeration, straw manning and even a little lying is chicken feed. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4947 "2015-06-29T21:57:22Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Even the tool bags like Jack Batty that step up for you don’t actually defend your point (such as it is), they defend you simply for being on their side of the argument. Actually, I’m not defending Elvis as much as I’m accusing you of being a creepy fucking loser. Got any more toddler-rape fantasies to float in these hallowed threads, Chester? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4948 "2015-06-30T01:07:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > > > A “guns are scary and dangerous” platform is just not very good governance. > > Nor is it what Democrats, and other responsible adults, are after. As a self-proclaimed Democrat (which is quite doubtful, btw :dubious:), you should know that. That sums up the assault weapon ban of '94. Let’s ban a bunch of guns with scary cosmetic features that have no impact at all on how functional the weapon is. Passed by ‘Democrats, and other responsible adults’. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4949 "2015-06-30T12:09:56Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Actually, I’m not defending Elvis as much as I’m accusing you of being a creepy fucking loser. Got any more toddler-rape fantasies to float in these hallowed threads, Chester? I ws being wrong to call you a toolbag. Neither your low IQ nor your senile dementia are your fault. I’ve already explained the conversation to you once, but I’ll try once more. Your side, mostly ElvisL1ves, is quite happy and comfortable calling gun owners all sorts of foul things. I am behaving toward you as you do toward us. That’s all. I don’t fantasize about these things any more than you do. Maybe you should sit this one out. Constantly being out of step and confused will just agitate you, and wh knows where that could end? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4950 "2015-06-30T13:01:23Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > That sums up the assault weapon ban of '94. Let’s ban a bunch of guns with scary cosmetic features that have no impact at all on how functional the weapon is. > > Passed by ‘Democrats, and other responsible adults’. \*Your \*superior proposal to address the death-rate problem, by comparison, would be, well what exactly? Got one? Something reality-connected, hopefully? It sure would be nice to see something from you people. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4951 "2015-06-30T13:02:52Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I don’t fantasize about these things any more than you do. Yeah. Who was it that brought up raping toddlers (apropos of absolutely nothing except possibly your browser history) in this thread again? Say hi to your therapist for me at your next appointment. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4952 "2015-06-30T13:08:12Z")
Looks like \*\*Scumpup \*\*is going to be in the news someday, and fairly soon, doesn’t it? If not for murder, then for child molestation or at least child pornography. The evidence in this thread alone is pretty strong. Hasn’t he hinted he actually \*works \*with children? Does his employer have a hint about what he admits to us he fantasizes about? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4953 "2015-06-30T14:04:42Z")
Can we just change the thread title to “No, YOU’RE going to be a mass murderer!”? Because that’s what it’s devolved into. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4954 "2015-06-30T14:21:03Z")
Pssst … bet on the guy who’s armed. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4955 "2015-06-30T14:58:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Pssst … bet on the guy who’s armed. At this point I’m not betting on any of you. Guns don’t make people stupid. Guns don’t make people angry. Guns don’t make people crazy. What guns _do_ do is make stupid/angry/crazy people much more dangerous. So let’s stop pretending that guns make people homicidal, but neither let us pretend that guns don’t make it a lot easier for homicidal people to succeed in their goals to a much greater degree than swimming pools or propane tanks or chainsaws. Because right now y’all are all just spouting bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4956 "2015-06-30T15:02:03Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Guns don’t make people stupid. Guns don’t make people angry. Guns don’t make people crazy. What guns _do_ do is make stupid/angry/crazy people much more dangerous. Exactly. > [@](#): > > So let’s stop pretending that guns make people homicidal, Who do you see doing that? > [@](#): > > Because right now y’all are all just spouting bullshit. You’ve gone into the bullshit of only one side. Since, after all, you are positioning yourself as above it all, uniquely objective and nonpartisan and all that, you might help by pointing out some of the bullshit on the other side as well. Or, you know, be dismissed as a bullshitter yourself, yanno? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4957 "2015-06-30T15:03:59Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Yeah. Who was it that brought up raping toddlers (apropos of absolutely nothing except possibly your browser history) in this thread again? > > Say hi to your therapist for me at your next appointment. Where was all your indignation all the many, many times your fellow asshole slandered gun owners? Oh, wait, there was none. You thought that was okey-dokey. As I already told you, but I’ll tell you again due to your senility, I have deliberately chosen the most offensive things I can think of and asked ElvisL1ves if he wants to do them. I fully expected him to say no, because any normal human being would deny wanting to do those things. Except, of course, he won’t deny wanting to do those things. Normal people, whether they own guns or not, don’t wish to harm others. Abnormal people who do wish to harm people will do so whether they have guns or not. Can I make it any clearer to you? I won’t explain it to you again, regardless. If you hurry, you can still catch The Price is Right. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4958 "2015-06-30T15:34:52Z")
Says the guy who fantasizes about raping children … ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4959 "2015-06-30T15:56:01Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Says the guy who fantasizes about raping children … You’re about done, I’d say. You bullshitted yourself into a corner. You aren’t smart enough to bullshit your way back out. You aren’t strong enough to admit you were bullshitting and move on. You’re here with “I’m rubber and you’re glue.” I’m done calling you on this bullshit, for now. You’ve made it clear that you are too fundamentally dishonest to do anything but keep repeating your bullshit. Nobody, not even your own side, takes your talking points seriously. You are nothing but a persistent and unimaginative troll. You have a good day now. For all our sakes. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4960 "2015-06-30T17:54:58Z")
Let’s all just pray your pedophilia is still latent, that you haven’t yet chosen to destroy a child’s life, as well as praying your anger never boils over to the extent you draw a firearm. It would be better yet, for the sake of your future, or perhaps present, victims for you to turn in your weapons and remove yourself from contact with children, but it would take a little courage and a little self-understanding first, things you have clearly not yet achieved. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=247) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=249)