# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 249
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4961 "2015-06-30T18:42:06Z")
**Scumpup** , I tell you this in all sincerity, and I do believe this is for your own sanity and well-being: Maybe you should clear your cookies or something so that ugly temptation doesn’t keep rearing it’s ugly head. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4962 "2015-06-30T18:51:58Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I ws being wrong to call you a toolbag. Neither your low IQ nor your senile dementia are your fault. I’ve already explained the conversation to you once, but I’ll try once more. Your side, mostly ElvisL1ves, is quite happy and comfortable calling gun owners all sorts of foul things. I am behaving toward you as you do toward us. That’s all. I don’t fantasize about these things any more than you do. Maybe you should sit this one out. Constantly being out of step and confused will just agitate you, and wh knows where that could end? He knows exactly what you mean. He is just hoping that he can use your use of child molestation to imply that you have secret fantasies about child molestation just like people who accuse others of being Nazis have secret fantasies of committing genocide. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4963 "2015-06-30T18:53:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > \*Your \*superior proposal to address the death-rate problem, by comparison, would be, well what exactly? Got one? Something reality-connected, hopefully? > > It sure would be nice to see something from you people. And your answer is “do something, anything, it doesn’t matter what” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4964 "2015-06-30T18:56:27Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Yeah. Who was it that brought up raping toddlers (apropos of absolutely nothing except possibly your browser history) in this thread again? > > Say hi to your therapist for me at your next appointment. The point you’re trying to make is stupid. Scumpup brought up child molestation to point out how stupid Elvis’s theory is (the oen where everyone is just one bad day away from going on a rampage). Do you really not get this or are you being intentionally obtuse? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4965 "2015-06-30T19:03:36Z")
Everyone gets angry from time to time. \*Not \*everyone is “just one bad day” from raping a child. Only a pedophile would even think of that one. But congratulations on finding someone in this thread with even worse mental health issues than yourself. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4966 "2015-06-30T19:05:33Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And your answer is “do something, anything, it doesn’t matter what” Anything is better than _nothing_, which is what \*you \*offer (and please don’t repeat that lie about supporting a measure you actually opposed). Why is that? And why should you be taken seriously as long as that is the case? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4967 "2015-06-30T19:07:18Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > You’re about done, I’d say. You bullshitted yourself into a corner. You aren’t smart enough to bullshit your way back out. You aren’t strong enough to admit you were bullshitting and move on. You’re here with “I’m rubber and you’re glue.” > I’m done calling you on this bullshit, for now. You’ve made it clear that you are too fundamentally dishonest to do anything but keep repeating your bullshit. Nobody, not even your own side, takes your talking points seriously. You are nothing but a persistent and unimaginative troll. > > You have a good day now. For all our sakes. All they have left is intentional distortion at this point. They pretend that your criticism of Elvis’s ridiculous theory that “we are all one bad day away from a multiple murder” When we use of the statistics about the dangers to children of having a pool in the back yard compared to having a gun in the house to show that there are plenty of things that pose more of a threat to a child than a gun in the house that do not generate anywhere near the level of hysteria that guns do. When we make this comparison to show that they are acting irrationally WRT to guns, they pretend that we are saying that pools can be used as weapons just like guns. They don’t want debate, they want to vent because they are mad that they have lost the debate and are not likely to turn things around any time soon (i.e. this century). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4968 "2015-06-30T19:47:18Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Anything is better than _nothing_, which is what \*you \*offer (and please don’t repeat that lie about supporting a measure you actually opposed). Why is that? And why should you be taken seriously as long as that is the case? You’re wrong. There are some “gun control” measures that are harmful to your cause. A dogged insistence on banning guns based on cosmetic features has got more than a few liberal posters on this board reevaluating their position on guns. They will never be on the wavelength and Bone or even me but they are no longer uncritically accepting everything that the gun control crowd proposes. You really shot yourself in the foot with that. I have supported licensing and registration at the federal level for years. Show me where I have opposed universal licensing and registration? I suspect you believe you can read my mind based on my reaction to Manchin Toomey (which I didn’t oppose, I was happy to rub your nose in its failure because it showed how badly you had biffed it but I never opposed it). manchin Toomey was not licensing and registration. it was not even universal background checks. it was a fig leaf so that the gun control side of the debate wouldn’t be too embarrassed and you blew it so bad that you couldn’t even get something as watered down as Manchin Toomey. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4969 "2015-06-30T20:58:56Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > All they have left is intentional distortion at this point. They pretend that your criticism of Elvis’s ridiculous theory that “we are all one bad day away from a multiple murder” It has occurred to me that if gun owners were really as irresponsible and prone to violence as some anti-gunners claim, there wouldn’t be any anti-gunners left to make the claim. Thus, **ElvisL1ves** is defeated by his own arguments. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4970 "2015-06-30T21:08:35Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > All they have left is intentional distortion at this point. Tell us more about “hoplophobia”. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > When we make this comparison to show that they are acting irrationally WRT to guns, they pretend that we are saying that pools can be used as weapons just like guns. No, we observe that you are evading and obfuscating the problem rather than addressing it. > [@](#): > > they have lost the debate and are not likely to turn things around any time soon (i.e. this century). Do you realize how telling it is that those who want to save lives are “they” and not “we”? I do note that you’re not even trying to promote better mental health treatment, and removal of access to guns by the mentally ill, as a way to do that. That may indicate your realization that it would result in disarming _you_. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4971 "2015-06-30T21:09:36Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > It has occurred to me that if gun owners were really as irresponsible and prone to violence as some anti-gunners claim, there wouldn’t be any anti-gunners left to make the claim. Do look into excluded middles sometime. It’s a fascinating subject. > [@](#): > > Thus, **ElvisL1ves** is defeated by his own arguments. In your own delusions. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4972 "2015-06-30T21:12:54Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I have supported licensing and registration at the federal level for years. Show me where I have opposed universal licensing and registration? I suspect you believe you can read my mind based on my reaction to Manchin Toomey (which I didn’t oppose, I was happy to rub your nose in its failure because it showed how badly you had biffed it but I never opposed it). When are you going to drop that lie? You claim to have supported it, but you’re fucking gleeful that the filibuster born of NRA bribes born of your own dues money defeated it. You’re _gleeful_ that a measure you lie about having supported could not overcome you. So, when asked again for what you actually propose, what bills you support, you have nothing. You can’t even use the word “we” to describe people who want to cut down on the killings. If only you were merely dishonest; that could be dealt with. You are sick and dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4973 "2015-06-30T21:24:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Scumpup brought up child molestation … Repeatedly, ad nauseum, like he was, idunno, fixated or something. It was fucking creepy. Hence my derision. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4974 "2015-06-30T21:29:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > When are you going to drop that lie? You claim to have supported it, but you’re fucking gleeful that the filibuster born of NRA bribes born of your own dues money defeated it. You’re _gleeful_ that a measure you lie about having supported could not overcome you. OK, so show me where I am _gleeful_ that the measure was defeated? And where do I say I supported the Manchin Toomey bill? I am pretty sure I ridiculed it as being a fig leaf from the very beginning. It wasn’t just a maginot line, it was like a damming a river with a chain link fence. > [@](#): > > So, when asked again for what you actually propose, what bills you support, you have nothing. You can’t even use the word “we” to describe people who want to cut down on the killings. If only you were merely dishonest; that could be dealt with. You are sick and dangerous. So you can read my mind but scumpup cannot read yours? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4975 "2015-06-30T21:31:12Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Repeatedly, ad nauseum, like he was, idunno, fixated or something. It was fucking creepy. Hence my derision. He was basically flinging the accusation at Elvis. It is about as creepy as accusing Elvis of being one bad day away from being a Nazi but no one uses Nazi anymore so he used pedophile. I don’t really see WTF you don’t understand about how he was using the term. Elvis is just frothing at the mouth because he is so pissed that he is not omnipotent and this country is a democracy that requires he actually convince people over to his side with reason rather than get people to do what he wants by accusing them of being evil. You know, “one bad day away from being a mass murderer” ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4976 "2015-06-30T21:59:51Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Let’s all just pray your pedophilia is still latent, that you haven’t yet chosen to destroy a child’s life, as well as praying your anger never boils over to the extent you draw a firearm. > > It would be better yet, for the sake of your future, or perhaps present, victims for you to turn in your weapons and remove yourself from contact with children, but it would take a little courage and a little self-understanding first, things you have clearly not yet achieved. Here, I’ll say it: I have never wanted to rape or kill a toddler; such acts are evil and I would never do or want to do such things. Now you say it. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4977 "2015-06-30T22:06:12Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Everyone gets angry from time to time. \*Not \*everyone is “just one bad day” from raping a child. Only a pedophile would even think of that one. > > But congratulations on finding someone in this thread with even worse mental health issues than yourself. The only one here who refuses to say he has never wanted to rape a toddler is you, Chester. My stars, what a reprehensible piece of shit you are. Too bad your mother was apparently not allowed to have wire clothes hangers. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4978 "2015-06-30T22:46:40Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Repeatedly, ad nauseum, like he was, idunno, fixated or something. It was fucking creepy. Hence my derision. It’s okay that you don’t understand. You’re just not equipped to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4979 "2015-06-30T22:51:26Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Here, I’ll say it: I have never wanted to rape or kill a toddler; such acts are evil and I would never do or want to do such things. Then why do you think about it so much? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/4980 "2015-06-30T23:21:27Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Then why do you think about it so much? Any response to this? > [@Bone](#): > > CA’s scheme? All other things being equal, no. What are you offering in return? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=248) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=250)