# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 252
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2015, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5021 "2015-07-07T07:12:09Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > I think that some form of “brandishing” law is needed. Having a gun on you is one thing, holding it at the ready is something else. In fact since long guns are hardly the first choice for a day-to-day carry firearm, I’d be ok with a law saying they had to be carried cased. 😕 😕 A long gun may not be the first choice for an affluent citizen who can afford several guns, but what about a lower-income household which can afford only one or two guns per family member? Are they to be denied the ability to defend themselves because they can’t afford hand guns? Or is the 2nd Amendment just for the affluent? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2015, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5022 "2015-07-07T07:19:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Three-year-old Texas boy dies after [accidentally shooting himself](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/three-year-old-texas-boy-dies-after-accidentally-shooting-himself/):The gun owner should go to prison. That’s responsible gun ownership. No. Texans are the best sort of responsible Americans; with the Yankees moving in against them in the “Jade Helm” operation they need their guns now more than ever, even the three-year olds. I think it’s pretty clear that Barack Obama or some other freedom-hating libtard snuck into that kid’s room and shot him in cold blood hoping to stir up anti-gun sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2015, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5023 "2015-07-07T12:45:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 😕 A long gun may not be the first choice for an affluent citizen who can afford several guns, but what about a lower-income household which can afford only one or two guns per family member? Are they to be denied the ability to defend themselves because they can’t afford hand guns? > > Or is the 2nd Amendment just for the affluent? A handgun should be carried in a holster; for long guns maybe a gun-scabbard? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5024 "2015-07-07T14:42:16Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > A handgun should be carried in a holster; for long guns maybe a gun-scabbard? I have a gun scabbard and I never use it. It doesn’t work well with any gun that has a magazine or optics or a front grip or pretty much any long gun other than a simple shotgun with no accessories. Is there another type of gun scabbard that I am not aware of that would work well with these sort of set ups? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5025 "2015-07-07T14:51:12Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 😕 A long gun may not be the first choice for an affluent citizen who can afford several guns, but what about a lower-income household which can afford only one or two guns per family member? Are they to be denied the ability to defend themselves because they can’t afford hand guns? > > Or is the 2nd Amendment just for the affluent? You can get a reliable handgun for under $200 these days. Hi Point (in various calibers) All sorts of guns in .380 A lot of the Brazilian stuff All sorts of used handguns ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5026 "2015-07-07T16:06:10Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > 😕 😕 A long gun may not be the first choice for an affluent citizen who can afford several guns, but what about a lower-income household which can afford only one or two guns per family member? Are they to be denied the ability to defend themselves because they can’t afford hand guns? > > Or is the 2nd Amendment just for the affluent? The 2nd Amendment is applied per person as they can afford it. Buy an inexpensive, used handgun. If you can’t afford that, then defend yourself with a baseball bat and knife. Each person buys the car s/he can afford, or else they ride the bus. Or they buy a bicycle, or a good pair of walking shoes. This is how life works. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5027 "2015-07-08T02:01:54Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > The 2nd Amendment is applied per person as they can afford it. Buy an inexpensive, used handgun. If you can’t afford that, then defend yourself with a baseball bat and knife. > > Each person buys the car s/he can afford, or else they ride the bus. Or they buy a bicycle, or a good pair of walking shoes. > > This is how life works. _“If you cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed by the court.”_ I know we need food stamp restrictions (no albacore tuna, milk only in gallon containers, et cetera et cetera) but perhaps handguns should be added to the list of acceptable food stamp purchases. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (And just for the record: I am NOT one of you crazed single-issue gun-nut cowards. Most of my posts in this thread are intended as sarcastic. I say this because you gun nuts are so divorced from rational thought, you probably think my worst sarcasm is sincere agreement.) ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5028 "2015-07-08T02:11:31Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I have a gun scabbard and I never use it. It doesn’t work well with any gun that has a magazine or optics or a front grip or pretty much any long gun other than a simple shotgun with no accessories. > > Is there another type of gun scabbard that I am not aware of that would work well with these sort of set ups? An image search for tactical rifle scabbards shows various designs for carrying AR-type weapons. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5029 "2015-07-08T17:18:21Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > An image search for tactical rifle scabbards shows various designs for carrying AR-type weapons. Hunh, I alwys thought those were some sort of rifle case. I still think you are better off with a cheap handgun rather than a scabbard for your rifle. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5030 "2015-07-08T18:48:29Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Hunh, I alwys thought those were some sort of rifle case. > > I still think you are better off with a cheap handgun rather than a scabbard for your rifle. No argument there, although if someone insists on carrying a long gun, that ought to be the way. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5031 "2015-07-08T19:16:28Z")
If that’s what it takes to help you feel courageous. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5032 "2015-07-08T19:30:15Z")
[BTW:](http://www.livescience.com/51446-guns-do-not-deter-crime.html?fb_comment_id=978757645507758_979020038814852&comment_id=979020038814852#f7a2e5a5) > [@](#): > > “We found no support for the hypothesis that owning more guns leads to a drop or a reduction in violent crime,” said study researcher Michael Monuteaux, an epidemiologist and professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School. “Instead, we found the opposite.” > > More guns, more gun crime > > Numerous studies have found that gun ownership correlates with gun homicide, and homicide by gun is the most common type of homicide in the United States. In 2013, for example, there were 16,121 total homicides in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and 11,208 of those were carried out with a firearm. (Gun suicides outpace gun homicides by far; in 2013, the CDC recorded 21,175 suicides by firearm, about half of all suicides that year. Contrary to popular belief, suicide is typically an impulsive act, psychiatrists say. Ninety percent of people who attempt suicide once will not go on to complete a suicide later, but a suicide attempt using a gun is far more lethal than other methods.) And > [@](#): > > The researchers were able to test whether criminals were simply trading out other weapons for guns, at least in the case of homicide. They weren’t. Overall homicide rates were just over 2 times higher in the most gun-owning states, meaning that gun ownership correlated with higher rates of all homicides, not just homicide with a gun. The results will be published in a forthcoming issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine. But you knew all that already, didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5033 "2015-07-08T21:58:11Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > If that’s what it takes to help you feel courageous. :rolleyes: You can always be counted on to bring the angry-stupid, can’t you? I agree with the idea that guns and their place in society needs discussed and tweaked. I also believe that truculent morons like you, actually especially you, from the anti side and open carry of long guns morons from the pro side ( they are our version of you) can safely be ignored if we want a discussion that goes anywhere. Hope you got through today without any murderous fits of rage. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5034 "2015-07-08T23:10:36Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [BTW:](http://www.livescience.com/51446-guns-do-not-deter-crime.html?fb_comment_id=978757645507758_979020038814852&comment_id=979020038814852#f7a2e5a5)And > > But you knew all that already, didn’t you? Gun debates inevitably come down to a war of opposing statistics and studies. I’d say that it’s still controversial, unless you’re claiming that all the studies showing guns increase murder are true and all the studies that show no effect or a negative effect are lies; in which case I’d like to hear it from someone more reputable than you. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5035 "2015-07-09T13:54:28Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > all the studies that show no effect or a negative effect are lies How about a couple of your favorite links, then? > [@](#): > > in which case I’d like to hear it from someone more reputable than you. If saying that makes you feel better, go ahead. :rolleyes: The facts remain, irrespective of who shows them to you. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5036 "2015-07-09T14:45:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > How about a couple of your favorite links, then? > > If saying that makes you feel better, go ahead. :rolleyes: The facts remain, irrespective of who shows them to you. No, I’m not going to (again) dig up cites; you’re not worth it. And the only “facts” you’ve presented is that someone somewhere claims to have shown that gun ownership increases murder rates. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5037 "2015-07-09T15:52:57Z")
Let’s try a hypothetical test. No facts here, just common sense. Everyone may not agree to the answer but I know what mine would be. Two separate homeowners are in identical yet separate situations. Sleeping in his upstairs bedroom late at night, the homeowner hears glass break, muffled voices, and movement. Peering downstairs, the homeowner sees two criminals who are armed with knives and baseball bats. They see the homeowner and aggressively rush towards him. In the few seconds that have transpired so far, the homeowner realizes they are nobody he knows. _ **Homeowner X** _ has a flashlight and a phone in his hand and can dial 9-1-1 in less than 1 second. _ **Homeowner Y** _ has a flashlight in his hand, and a handgun tucked in his belt behind him (the bands of his underwear and shorts he sleeps in). He is trained and comfortable in his use of firearms and tactical situations. Which homeowner has the better chance at defending his life, and the lives of the rest of his family including an attractive 16-yo daughter asleep upstairs? Not to mention his gorgeous wife? Remember: when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5038 "2015-07-09T16:03:35Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Remember: when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Look out! He’s got a bumper sticker! ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5039 "2015-07-09T16:23:05Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > And the only “facts” you’ve presented is that someone somewhere claims to have shown that gun ownership increases murder rates. Careful, the study did not say murder. Homicide can be unintentional, such as negligent discharge that results in another parties death. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5040 "2015-07-09T16:59:55Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > No, I’m not going to (again) dig up cites; you’re not worth it. Ooohh, burn! :rolleyes: IOW you don’t have any. We already know. > [@](#): > > And the only “facts” you’ve presented is that someone somewhere claims to have shown that gun ownership increases murder rates. That’s what doing something called “analysis” to things called “facts” organized as “data” leads to. It’s called “fighting ignorance”, as you may have heard. What you have is silly taunts most eight year olds would be ashamed of. Perhaps the company you choose to keep, delusional psychotics and pedophiles with anger issues as well as your fellow fetishists, helps to keep you at that level. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=251) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=253)