# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 253
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5041 "2015-07-09T17:06:09Z")
Elvis, what would your answer be in that hypothetical scenario? To be fair, I’ll answer a hypothetical you pose, if you reply. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5042 "2015-07-09T19:18:02Z")
He won’t answer. He never does. He is a chancre sore that makes noise, nothing more. Don’t let the noise’s occassional resemblance to human speech deceive you into believing otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5043 "2015-07-09T19:28:25Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Let’s try a hypothetical test. No facts here, just common sense. Everyone may not agree to the answer but I know what mine would be. > > Two separate homeowners are in identical yet separate situations. Sleeping in his upstairs bedroom late at night, the homeowner hears glass break, muffled voices, and movement. Peering downstairs, the homeowner sees two criminals who are armed with knives and baseball bats. They see the homeowner and aggressively rush towards him. In the few seconds that have transpired so far, the homeowner realizes they are nobody he knows. > > _ **Homeowner X** _ has a flashlight and a phone in his hand and can dial 9-1-1 in less than 1 second. > > _ **Homeowner Y** _ has a flashlight in his hand, and a handgun tucked in his belt behind him (the bands of his underwear and shorts he sleeps in). He is trained and comfortable in his use of firearms and tactical situations. > > Which homeowner has the better chance at defending his life, and the lives of the rest of his family including an attractive 16-yo daughter asleep upstairs? Not to mention his gorgeous wife? > > Remember: when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Is _ **Homeowner X** _ a trained ninja? My answer requires this information. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5044 "2015-07-09T20:32:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Ooohh, burn! :rolleyes: > > IOW you don’t have any. We already know. > > That’s what doing something called “analysis” to things called “facts” organized as “data” leads to. It’s called “fighting ignorance”, as you may have heard. > > What you have is silly taunts most eight year olds would be ashamed of. Perhaps the company you choose to keep, delusional psychotics and pedophiles with anger issues as well as your fellow fetishists, helps to keep you at that level. Elvis, does anyone- _ **anyone** _ else besides you think you’ve pwned this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5045 "2015-07-09T20:33:26Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > Is _ **Homeowner X** _ a trained ninja? My answer requires this information. It’s a lot faster to buy a gun than to become a ninja. Probably cheaper too. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5046 "2015-07-09T21:45:12Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Elvis, does anyone- _ **anyone** _ else besides you think you’ve pwned this thread? Careful, you might make him angry and you wouldn’t like him when he’s angry. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5047 "2015-07-09T21:54:03Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Let’s try a hypothetical test. No facts here, just common sense. Everyone may not agree to the answer but I know what mine would be. > > Two separate homeowners are in identical yet separate situations. Sleeping in his upstairs bedroom late at night, the homeowner hears glass break, muffled voices, and movement. Peering downstairs, the homeowner sees two criminals who are armed with knives and baseball bats. They see the homeowner and aggressively rush towards him. In the few seconds that have transpired so far, the homeowner realizes they are nobody he knows. > > _ **Homeowner X** _ has a flashlight and a phone in his hand and can dial 9-1-1 in less than 1 second. > > _ **Homeowner Y** _ has a flashlight in his hand, and a handgun tucked in his belt behind him (the bands of his underwear and shorts he sleeps in). He is trained and comfortable in his use of firearms and tactical situations. > > Which homeowner has the better chance at defending his life, and the lives of the rest of his family including an attractive 16-yo daughter asleep upstairs? Not to mention his gorgeous wife? > > Remember: when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Geez what kind of life do you lead where the people who break into your house are armed with knives and baseball bats and breaking in with the specific intent to doing you harm. If I happen to be on the mobs hit list than yes I agree I want to be armed. But if I’m just an average person than chances are they want to steal some stuff and get out ASAP particularly if they know the cops are on the way. And just for the record I was actually the victim of a home invasion in which the one of the perpetrators was actually in the room with me. I was on vacation asleep at a rental house when the door to my room opened and a man started looking through my belongings. I thought he was my dad and so asked if there was anything I could help him. Immediately he ran off and escaped the house. If I had had a gun I probably would be in the NRA statistics as someone who life was saved by having a loaded gun on hand, even though it wouldn’t have changed a thing. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5048 "2015-07-09T22:04:41Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Elvis, does anyone- _ **anyone** _ else besides you think you’ve pwned this thread? It’s about _saving lives_. Not “pwning”. :rolleyes: Now grow the fuck up, just a little, willya? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5049 "2015-07-09T22:06:08Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Geez what kind of life do you lead where the people who break into your house are armed with knives and baseball bats and breaking in with the specific intent to doing you harm. The kind of life a gun fetishist has to imagine in order to rationalize it. The other kind involves jackbooted gummint thugs. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5050 "2015-07-10T02:00:10Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It’s about _saving lives_. Not “pwning”. :rolleyes: > > Now grow the fuck up, just a little, willya? Yeah. He should grow up and stop doing things like blanket insults of a large group of people who have nothing in common but ownership of a consumer good. He should answer questions rather than evading them and trying, but failing, to make it seem like he is above answering. He should stop being so invested in winning the internet that he effectively renounces honesty and any expectation of being taken seriously. He should stop making sociological pronouncements that are drawn from old comic books. No, wait. My bad. He doesn’t do any of those things. That’s all you. Keep smiling, though. You’re only one bad day from murder, after all. You told us so. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5051 "2015-07-10T10:52:01Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Careful, you might make him angry and you wouldn’t like him when he’s angry. Would you like him when he’s not? > [@Scumpup](#): > > Keep smiling, though. You’re only one bad day from murder, after all. You told us so. Jesus - drop this already. It’s stopped being a “gotcha” a half dozen iterations ago. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5052 "2015-07-10T11:34:52Z")
I’ll quit reminding him he’s a fool and an asshole when stops being a fool and an asshole. He hasn’t abandoned or repudiated his “one bad day” idiocy. He has, in fact, repeated it several times since this farrago started. His version of The Big Lie? Stubborn idiocy? Deep seated insecurity about admitting error? I don’t know, Rusty…But I do know this: Every time he says that bullshit he insults every gun-owning member of this board. He needs to retract that idiocy, if not apologize to everyone here that he has smeared. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5053 "2015-07-10T12:30:00Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > Is _ **Homeowner X** _ a trained ninja? My answer requires this information. No he is not. The situation is as presented. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5054 "2015-07-10T12:34:09Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Geez what kind of life do you lead where the people who break into your house are armed with knives and baseball bats and breaking in with the specific intent to doing you harm. It happens. Thankfully it hasn’t happened to either of us. Are you willing to bet your life that they aren’t going to harm you? I’m sure you guys (both sides) have been down this road already. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5055 "2015-07-10T12:40:30Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Are you willing to bet your life that they aren’t going to harm you? Every day. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5056 "2015-07-10T13:03:54Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I’ll quit reminding him he’s a fool and an asshole when stops being a fool and an asshole. He hasn’t abandoned or repudiated his “one bad day” idiocy. He has, in fact, repeated it several times since this farrago started. His version of The Big Lie? Stubborn idiocy? Deep seated insecurity about admitting error? I don’t know, Rusty…But I do know this: Every time he says that bullshit he insults every gun-owning member of this board. He needs to retract that idiocy, if not apologize to everyone here that he has smeared. He does seem to have contracted a bad case of Dio’s Disease, where every argument must be pursued to its extreme and no ground must be relinquished. It’s a bit sad, really. He and I are sort of on the same side but not remotely in the same place. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5057 "2015-07-10T13:10:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Every day. _ **Roll the dice baby!** _ 😃 Actually I bet on this most days too. I don’t sleep with my gun under my pillow. It’s usually in the safe. Nearby, sure, but it’d take a few seconds to get it if needed, and pressing the digital combo it beeps each button press, so it’s not quiet - so much for surprise. It’s nice living in a safe community, I’m grateful for that, yes. I certainly do not want or advocate everyone being armed, especially walking around armed. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5058 "2015-07-10T13:28:43Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Actually I bet on this most days too. I don’t sleep with my gun under my pillow. It’s usually in the safe. Nearby, sure, but it’d take a few seconds to get it if needed, and pressing the digital combo it beeps each button press, so it’s not quiet - so much for surprise. Check out the Titan Gun Safe. It’s secure, quiet, and quick. Mechanical so no electronics to fail. [It’s pricey though.](http://www.amazon.com/Titan-Security-AS-2020-02-Gun-Safe/dp/B0037AK9HO) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5059 "2015-07-10T14:00:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > every argument must be pursued to its extreme and no ground must be relinquished. To repeat, it’s about saving human lives. In some systems of morality, that’s about the most important thing there is, yanno? Perhaps you disagree. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/5060 "2015-07-10T14:17:39Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > His version of The Big Lie? Which one is that? > [@](#): > > Every time he says that bullshit he insults every gun-owning member of this board. He needs to retract that idiocy, if not apologize to everyone here that he has smeared. When come back, bring facts. :rolleyes: And kindly stop regaling us with your toddler-rape porn fantasies, and go get help. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=252) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=254)