# Stupid Gun news of the day (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729 "2013-01-29T19:01:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/541 "2013-02-16T01:17:24Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The amount of stupid exhibited by folks there is astounding. Well, it’s not surprising that stupid people have accidents. But the combination of stupid people and guns can lead to some impressive stories. You can substitute a whole lot of words for “guns” in your sentence still make sense without anyone asking for a ban. Off the top of my head: skateboards, roller blades, bicycles, motorcycles, skis, snowboards, alcohol, power tools, yet none of those can have the potential to save lives the way guns can. > [@](#): > > But that’s fine - you see, they were all irresponsible gun owners. Of course, they were responsible gun owners right up until the time the shot themselves or someone else. They all broke basic safety rules. People who break basic gun safety rules are irresponsible gun owners the moment they break them, not the moment an accident happens. Agree or no? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/542 "2013-02-16T01:38:12Z")
The Arkansas Legislature will probably [pass a bill](http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ark-House-approves-guns-at-colleges-universities-4281601.php) allowing concealed carry at colleges and universities. Who in the hell wants to hand a guy a failed final if he is carrying? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/543 "2013-02-16T02:36:52Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Who in the hell wants to hand a guy a failed final if he is carrying? 🙂 If a guy intends to shoot his professor do you think he cares if it’s a gun free zone? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/544 "2013-02-16T02:45:24Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > If a guy intends to shoot his professor do you think he cares if it’s a gun free zone? Might be an impulse thing when he gets a failing grade. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/545 "2013-02-16T02:49:55Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Might be an impulse thing when he gets a failing grade. 🙂 Do you usually get your grade right when you hand in your final? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/546 "2013-02-16T02:51:51Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That is why I support a licensing requirement. I had to undergo training and take a test to get my CCW. There has been one firearm crime committed by someone with a CCW since 1976. I would bet that CCWs have fewer accidental/negligent discharges than the gun owning population generally, I couldn’t provide a cite but it would be consistent with my anecdotal experience. This is frequently claimed. I was interested then to see the CCWs among this week’s gun fails, including theone who brandished her weapon at Chuck E Cheese’s. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/547 "2013-02-16T03:02:25Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > Do you usually get your grade right when you hand in your final? No, I’m talking about passing them out afterwards. So, damn, passing out grades on a regular test. Touchy, aren’t we? I’m a gun owner, but check the name of the thread. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/548 "2013-02-16T03:22:34Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I’m a gun owner, but check the name of the thread. 🙂 Cool, but I’m in favor of guns on college campuses. This is what I think of gun free zones: [http://www.wmsa.net/poster.htm](http://www.wmsa.net/poster.htm) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/549 "2013-02-16T03:50:49Z")
Is there one specific source for your pre-packaged talking points, or are they drawn for a variety of sources? ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/550 "2013-02-16T04:00:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is there one specific source for your pre-packaged talking points, or are they drawn for a variety of sources? I try to be eclectic? How about you “liberal democrats R us?” ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/551 "2013-02-16T10:55:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is there one specific source for your pre-packaged talking points, or are they drawn for a variety of sources? It’s remarkable; when Kable is talking, you can’t even see Wayne LaPierre’s lips move. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/552 "2013-02-16T11:20:30Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > You can substitute a whole lot of words for “guns” in your sentence still make sense without anyone asking for a ban. Off the top of my head: skateboards, roller blades, bicycles, motorcycles, skis, snowboards, alcohol, power tools, yet none of those can have the potential to save lives the way guns can. Guns don’t save lives. People save lives. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/553 "2013-02-16T12:20:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Guns don’t save lives. People save lives. I like the way you put that! So guns don’t kill either, people do. ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/554 "2013-02-16T12:49:28Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It’s remarkable; when Kable is talking, you can’t even see Wayne LaPierre’s lips move. I think this was one of Wayne’s best points: https://www.youtube.com/embed/TVbDrdCm7AY?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/555 "2013-02-16T13:15:05Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It’s remarkable; when Kable is talking, you can’t even see Wayne LaPierre’s lips move. Check the other end. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/556 "2013-02-16T14:18:09Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Check the other end. That’s _cold,_ man! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/557 "2013-02-16T16:53:33Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Sorry, Its the combination of fat fingers and the tiny keyboard on my new phone. > > Then don’t get a gun. Noone is forcing you to get a gun, the choice is yours. > > Not all gun owners are responsible. Hang out at a gun store for about an hour and it becomes obvious. > > That is why I support a licensing requirement. I had to undergo training and take a test to get my CCW. **There has been one firearm crime committed by someone with a CCW since 1976.** I would bet that CCWs have fewer accidental/negligent discharges than the gun owning population generally, I couldn’t provide a cite but it would be consistent with my anecdotal experience. That is such an astounding statement (bolding mine) that I would love to see your citation for that factoid. For your edification here is a site that details quite more than 1 crime committed by those with ccw between May 2007 and November 2012: [http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm](http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/558 "2013-02-16T16:57:31Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That is why I support a licensing requirement. Then according to many, you are a gun-grabbing lefty, who only supports licensing because that will lead to registration which will lead to confiscation, which will lead to Hitler. It’s time that you (and the rest of the majority gun owners who are reasonable and responsible) take the conversation away from the loons who want to see no gun legislation of any kind, ever. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/559 "2013-02-16T17:03:27Z")
> [@Kable](#): > > You can substitute a whole lot of words for “guns” in your sentence still make sense without anyone asking for a ban. Off the top of my head: skateboards, roller blades, bicycles, motorcycles, skis, snowboards, alcohol, power tools, yet none of those can have the potential to save lives the way guns can. Again, you are debating like a junior high school student. “skateboards, roller blades, bicycles, skis, snowboards” = recreational equipment that does not really have very much potential to kill another person. “motorcycles” = must have a license, must have registration and insurance, must follow all road rules and must wear a helmet. “power tools” = this one is just stupid. “alcohol” = certainly causes damage, especially when combined with vehicles. Are you trying to argue here that since alcohol misuse causes damage, therefore we should not try to mitigate any damage caused by other things (like guns?). So if a murder happens, we might as well not try to enforce any laws at all? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729/560 "2013-02-16T17:03:30Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Then according to many, you are a gun-grabbing lefty, who only supports licensing because that will lead to registration which will lead to confiscation, which will lead to Hitler. Well, Hitler 2.0, of course. > [@](#): > > It’s time that you (and the rest of the majority gun owners who are reasonable and responsible) take the conversation away from the loons who want to see no gun legislation of any kind, ever. Sure - that’s just a divide and conquer strategy. They may be crazy ass gun nuts, but they’re his crazy ass gun nuts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-gun-news-of-the-day-part-1/648729.md?page=29)